Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Talia Kohan (Nassi)

Talia Kohan (Nassi)

Talia Kohan (Talia Nassi) is a Staff Developer Advocate at Postman, helping developers build, test, and scale APIs and AI-powered applications. A global keynote speaker, she works closely with the developer community to share best practices in modern software development and foster innovation through practical education and collaboration.

Talia Kohan (Talia Nassi) is a Staff Developer Advocate at Postman, helping developers build, test, and scale APIs and AI-powered applications. A global keynote speaker, she works closely with the developer community to share best practices in modern... Show more

Ivan Arribas

Ivan Arribas

https://vandalytic.com (Blog de Power BI)
https://waibbo.com (partner Microsoft especializado en Analítica de Datos)

https://vandalytic.com (Blog de Power BI) https://waibbo.com (partner Microsoft especializado en Analítica de Datos) Show more

Daniel Glenn

Daniel Glenn

With over 15 years of experience in the field, I have developed a deep expertise in SharePoint, Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Viva, and now Microsoft Copilot. I have received the Microsoft MVP award 11 times for my contributions in Microsoft 365.

I am also a co-host and producer of the 365 Message Center Show, a weekly podcast that covers the latest updates and news from Microsoft 365. Additionally, I am a founder and leader of several community initiatives, such as Nashville Microsoft Community Day, a free one-day event that features sessions from influential and respected Microsoft professionals, and Nashville Microsoft 365 & SharePoint Users Group, a local network of enthusiasts and experts. I am passionate about giving back and building the Microsoft technical community, as well as educating and inspiring others to embrace the potential of cloud technology.

With over 15 years of experience in the field, I have developed a deep expertise in SharePoint, Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Viva, and now Microsoft Copilot. I have received the Microsoft MVP award 11 times for my contributions in Microsoft 365. I a... Show more

Andreas Erben

Andreas Erben

Andreas spent most of his professional life and a career of over 25 years integrating "backend" applications. First inside or between Enterprises and Startups directly, then - "in the cloud".
Before that, Andreas dabbled with Virtual Reality in the 90s. In 2013, he integrated an innovation focus into his work - from Kinect for Windows, Microsoft HoloLens, and Mixed Reality, to a strong focus on Applied Artificial Intelligence. Andreas told audiences years before ChatGPT to look at Generative AI.
He cannot stop talking about technology, which apparently some people like so Microsoft gave him the MVP award. Because he has shown leadership can advise C-levels and business, he also got accepted into the ranks of the Microsoft Regional Directors .
Andreas helps customers as a trusted advisor, external CTO and innovation consultant, he also produces exciting applications and solutions with a great team of skilled individuals.
He acts as CTO Applied AI for daenet.

Andreas spent most of his professional life and a career of over 25 years integrating "backend" applications. First inside or between Enterprises and Startups directly, then - "in the cloud". Before that, Andreas dabbled with Virtual Reality in the ... Show more

Nicky van Vroenhoven

Nicky van Vroenhoven

Nicky van Vroenhoven is a BI professional focused at the Microsoft stack and a Data Platform MVP. He mainly works with Power BI, Power Platform and T-SQL. Nicky started working with SQL Server and SSIS in 2005 in the DWH space, and later moved from Power Pivot to Power BI. After working 10 years in BI-consultancy jobs in several industries and companies, he worked for 5 years as a Power BI Administrator at a wealth management bank, and he is currently working as Unit Lead Fabric/Power BI at Powerdobs in The Netherlands.
Nicky has spoken at several User Groups and conferences including SQL Saturday Events, the Power BI World Tour, SQLBits and the Fabric Community Conference. In addition he enjoys tweeting and blogging about topics like Power BI and Power Platform at https://nickyvv.com.
In his spare time Nicky likes to go running, play chess or try to improve his Rubik's cube record. He is also a husband, father of 3 and a (former) ballroom dancer.

Nicky van Vroenhoven is a BI professional focused at the Microsoft stack and a Data Platform MVP. He mainly works with Power BI, Power Platform and T-SQL. Nicky started working with SQL Server and SSIS in 2005 in the DWH space, and later moved from P... Show more

Ryan Schouten

Ryan Schouten

With a passion for technology that is matched only by his commitment to community engagement, Ryan Schouten stands out as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP). Hailing from the vibrant tech scene of California, Ryan has carved a niche for himself as a thought leader and advocate for Microsoft Products & Services.

Ryan’s journey in the tech industry is marked by his eagerness to share knowledge and foster learning. His expertise spans across various Microsoft technologies, where he has contributed significantly through public speaking, content creation, and mentorship. His ability to demystify complex technical concepts and present them in an accessible manner has made him a beloved figure in the tech community.

At the core of Ryan’s philosophy is the belief that technology can be a force for good, driving innovation and solving real-world problems. He actively participates in community events where he shares insights and collaborates with other experts.

With a passion for technology that is matched only by his commitment to community engagement, Ryan Schouten stands out as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP). Hailing from the vibrant tech scene of California, Ryan has carved a niche for him... Show more

Seyfallah Tagrerout

Seyfallah Tagrerout

Seyfallah Tagrerout, 12 years of Experience – CEO at STC Consulting SARL Switzerland | Team Lead | Cloud and Security Architect, Microsoft Regional Director | Microsoft MVP Security since 2015, Speaker and book Author.

He is extremely highly and well skilled on all news features from Microsoft Azure / M365 technologies and security (Zero Trust, Azure Data Center , Identity , SecOps and Modern Workplace). He loves using Microsoft Defender for Endpoint, Microsoft Defender for Office 365, Microsoft 365 Defender, Microsoft Defender for Cloud Apps, Microsoft Sentinel, Microsoft Entra and many other solutions of the Microsoft Security stack.

Microsoft MVP since 9 years, I am a Book author, international speaker and Microsoft technologies trainer. As a speaker, I deliver over 30 technical sessions annually, in both online and in-person formats, in both French and English.

Seyfallah Tagrerout, 12 years of Experience – CEO at STC Consulting SARL Switzerland | Team Lead | Cloud and Security Architect, Microsoft Regional Director | Microsoft MVP Security since 2015, Speaker and book Author. He is extremely highly and... Show more

Lars Klint

Lars Klint

Lars is a Principal Developer Advocate at Atlassian, an author, trainer, Microsoft Azure MVP, community leader, aspiring YouTube host and part time classic car collector. He is heavily involved in the space of cloud computing services, especially Azure, and is a published author, solution architect and writer for numerous publications. He has been a part of the software development community for the past 20 years and co-organises the DDD Melbourne community conference, organises developer events with Microsoft, and also runs a part time car restoration business. He has spoken at numerous technical events around the world and is an expert in Australian Outback Internet.

Lars is a Principal Developer Advocate at Atlassian, an author, trainer, Microsoft Azure MVP, community leader, aspiring YouTube host and part time classic car collector. He is heavily involved in the space of cloud computing services, especially Azu... Show more

Ashraf Ghonaim

Ashraf Ghonaim

Ashraf Ghonaim is a Strategic Management Consultant and his core areas of expertise are: Strategy Management, Performance Measurement, Process Improvement and Data Analytics.

Ashraf holds a Computer Engineering degree and an MBA degree in Strategic Management with special emphasis on IT-Business Strategic Alignment using Balanced Scorecard. He is also a certified Balanced Scorecard Professional, Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, Project Management Professional (PMP).

Ashraf is the leader of Toronto Fabric & Power BI User Group and he has been a Microsoft MVP in Data Platform (Fabric & Power BI) since 2018. He is also a Microsoft Certified Trainer MCT and he teaches Fabric and Power BI courses at the University of Calgary. Ashraf is a co-author of 2 books about Power BI and Microsoft AI and he is a frequent community events organizer and speakers around Fabric and Power BI.

Ashraf Ghonaim is a Strategic Management Consultant and his core areas of expertise are: Strategy Management, Performance Measurement, Process Improvement and Data Analytics. Ashraf holds a Computer Engineering degree and an MBA degree in Strategi... Show more

Dennes Torres

Dennes Torres

Dennes is a DBA and Data Platform MVP (2020-2023) living in Malta who loves Data Platform, including Azure Data Platform, Microsoft Fabric, SQL Server and recently got involved by Generative AI. In the past, he was married with software development, resulting in a total of more than 20 years of experience between Data Platform, cloud and software development. He moved to Malta after more than 10 years leading devSQL PASS Chapter in Rio de Janeiro and now is a member of the leadership team of MMDPUG PASS Chapter in Malta organizing meetings, events, and webcasts about Microsoft Data Platform. He is an MCT, MCSE in Data Platforms and BI, with more titles in software development. He can be found working for DTower Software and speaking in SQL Saturdays around Europe

Dennes is a DBA and Data Platform MVP (2020-2023) living in Malta who loves Data Platform, including Azure Data Platform, Microsoft Fabric, SQL Server and recently got involved by Generative AI. In the past, he was married with software development, ... Show more

Jake Harvey

Jake Harvey

I lead the Automation team at Advania UK and support organisations in creating technology experiences that shift the responsibility of tasks to technology and bridge the gap between data and decisions.

10+ years experience in the Microsoft Partner eco-system delivering valuable solutions for clients. 5+ years Community conference speaker at events such as the Microsoft AI Tour, European Power Platform Conference and European SharePoint Conference.

I lead the Automation team at Advania UK and support organisations in creating technology experiences that shift the responsibility of tasks to technology and bridge the gap between data and decisions. 10+ years experience in the Microsoft Partne... Show more

Oluebube Princess Egbuna

Oluebube Princess Egbuna

Oluebube, affectionately known as Bube, is an award-winning software engineer, AI researcher and author. She has over eight years of experience as a software engineer and has successfully led engineering teams to deliver high-impact software solutions.

Bube is passionate about open source and tech communities. When she is not working, she spends her time working with communities. Some communities she still actively contributes to include Kubernetes Org, Open Source Community Africa, Women Who Code, and Facebook Developer Circles.

Oluebube, affectionately known as Bube, is an award-winning software engineer, AI researcher and author. She has over eight years of experience as a software engineer and has successfully led engineering teams to deliver high-impact software solution... Show more

Andrew Block

Andrew Block

Andrew Block is a Distinguished Architect at Red Hat who works with organizations to adopt Open Source solutions with a focus on Cloud Native, security and emerging technologies. Andrew is the author of multiple technical publications and frequently shares his knowledge and experiences related to relevant industry topics. He is a recognized leader, maintainer and contributor within the Open Source community, and partners with organizations to incorporate Open Source practices and their benefits.

Andrew Block is a Distinguished Architect at Red Hat who works with organizations to adopt Open Source solutions with a focus on Cloud Native, security and emerging technologies. Andrew is the author of multiple technical publications and frequently ... Show more

Shivanshu Raj Shrivastava

Shivanshu Raj Shrivastava

Shivanshu is a an experienced engineer who has worked at various sizes of startups, big tech and OSS products, most recently he had been working on building observability products, scaling AI and handling huge data.
He has a keen interest in deep tech and OSS. He is a CNCF ambassador and a member of CNCF projects like OTeL, k8s, and Istio. He actively mentors tech seekers and has presented his work at prestigious global conferences, including AI_Dev, GSoC Mentor Summit, IstioCon, and KubeCon.

Shivanshu is a an experienced engineer who has worked at various sizes of startups, big tech and OSS products, most recently he had been working on building observability products, scaling AI and handling huge data. He has a keen interest in deep te... Show more

Javier Menendez Pallo

Javier Menendez Pallo

Microsoft AI MVP.
AI Partner at KYNDRYL.
Doctor in Artificial Intelligence, with more than 28 years of professional experience. He helps organizations to solve their problems with the use of artificial intelligence and the Internet of things. Passionate about technology, he has more than 193 Microsoft certifications and collaborates in multiple publications in the technology sector.

Microsoft AI MVP. AI Partner at KYNDRYL. Doctor in Artificial Intelligence, with more than 28 years of professional experience. He helps organizations to solve their problems with the use of artificial intelligence and the Internet of things. Pass... Show more

Gilbert Quevauvilliers

Gilbert Quevauvilliers

I am a Power BI/Fabric Consultant/Architect at FourMoo, a leading data analytics company that helps organizations to see their data on their terms.

Out of the box thinking has allowed me to produce outcomes that are both cost effective (often reducing overall costs) and providing valuable insights into data. The solutions are designed and deployed using Microsoft technologies.

My mission is to provide solutions for business challenges by sitting with the users and leveraging the new features in Power BI and Microsoft Fabric to fit with their goals. I also support the implementation and completion of Power BI projects, including architecture design, development, deployment, training, best practice, and user group sessions. Some of the technologies I use are Azure Analysis Services, Function Apps, Runbooks, Logic Apps, Automation Accounts, SQL Serverless DB, Azure Data Lake, and more. I am passionate about Power BI and DAX, and I enjoy speaking at various events and conferences to share my knowledge and experience.

The Microsoft MVP award allows me to be integrated with a vast network of other accomplished peers in the data and analytics workspace.

I am a Power BI/Fabric Consultant/Architect at FourMoo, a leading data analytics company that helps organizations to see their data on their terms. Out of the box thinking has allowed me to produce outcomes that are both cost effective (often red... Show more

Flynn -

Flynn -

Flynn is a technical evangelist at Buoyant, educating developers about Linkerd, Kubernetes, and cloud-native development in general. He has spent 40+ years in software, with a common thread of communications and security throughout, and is a coauthor of Linkerd: Up and Running from O'Reilly, a co-lead of the AI Gateway Working Group and Gateway API for service mesh, and the original author of the Emissary-ingress API gateway. He is most easily found as @flynn on the CNCF or Linkerd Slacks.

Flynn is a technical evangelist at Buoyant, educating developers about Linkerd, Kubernetes, and cloud-native development in general. He has spent 40+ years in software, with a common thread of communications and security throughout, and is a coauthor... Show more

Gregor Brunner

Gregor Brunner

Working with Power BI for over 9 years
Power BI External Tool "Measure Killer"

Working with Power BI for over 9 years Power BI External Tool "Measure Killer" Show more

Sara San Luís Rodríguez

Sara San Luís Rodríguez

Passionate about science since childhood, I studied Mathematics at the University of Santiago de Compostela, I completed these studies with a Master in Statistics and Operational Research. The latter allowed me to enter the world of AI and ML, fields in which I am currently working as AI Team Lead @MDW.

Passionate about science since childhood, I studied Mathematics at the University of Santiago de Compostela, I completed these studies with a Master in Statistics and Operational Research. The latter allowed me to enter the world of AI and ML, fields... Show more

Nick Brattoli

Nick Brattoli

Microsoft MVP, MCT, and Partner/Principal Consultant at Three Six Five Consulting

Nick Brattoli is an Ohio native, MPV, MCT, and Partner and Principal Consultant at Three Six Five Consulting. He’s worked in the IT Field for over 20 years, 15+ of which have been SharePoint and Microsoft 365-focused.

Over the years, he’s worked in a variety of industries, such as Government, Healthcare, Finance, Manufacturing, and many more.

He currently lives in Birmingham, Alabama, and lately has been doing projects involving Dataverse, model-driven apps, Microsoft 365 migrations, SharePoint Premium, and Copilot (rollouts and custom Copilots).

Microsoft MVP, MCT, and Partner/Principal Consultant at Three Six Five Consulting Nick Brattoli is an Ohio native, MPV, MCT, and Partner and Principal Consultant at Three Six Five Consulting. He’s worked in the IT Field for over 20 years, 15+ of w... Show more

Aroh Shukla

Aroh Shukla

Aroh works as a Regional Microsoft Cloud Architect Lead, Microsoft MVP (AI) & MCT i& MCT. He is primarily focusing on Azure AI, Power Platform & Microsoft 365 Collaboration suite. He helps customers with their digital transformation journey through cutting-edge Microsoft solutions.

Aroh works as a Regional Microsoft Cloud Architect Lead, Microsoft MVP (AI) & MCT i& MCT. He is primarily focusing on Azure AI, Power Platform & Microsoft 365 Collaboration suite. He helps customers with their digital transformation journey through... Show more

James Dales

James Dales

Having previously led the Power BI and Microsoft Fabric capabilities at both UK and global level for a large multi-national Microsoft consultancy, in 2024 James established an ambitious geospatial data company Tekantis, to focus on geospatial analytics and data products.

James is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and is the co-leader of the London Fabric and Power BI user group. In 2019 he became the first member of the Power BI Contributors Program, working alongside the Microsoft engineering team to build new functionality into the Power BI product codebase. He has a keen interest in geospatial and real-time analytics and is the author of the Icon Map visuals for Power BI.

Having previously led the Power BI and Microsoft Fabric capabilities at both UK and global level for a large multi-national Microsoft consultancy, in 2024 James established an ambitious geospatial data company Tekantis, to focus on geospatial analyti... Show more

Ásgeir Gunnarsson

Ásgeir Gunnarsson

Ásgeir brings nearly two decades of experience in designing and implementing scalable data platforms using Microsoft technologies. With deep expertise in data architecture, data engineering, and analytics, he helps organizations turn complex data landscapes into streamlined, high-performing solutions. In addition to hands-on delivery, Ásgeir advises clients on governance, security, and platform strategy.

As a recognized Microsoft Data Platform MVP and active speaker at global data events, he stays ahead of industry trends and brings cutting-edge insights to every project. In addition to speaking at events Ásgeir is a co-organizer of Data Platform Next Step, Power BI Next Step and Power BI Cruise in Denmark.

Ásgeir focuses primarily on the data technologies in the Azure cloud.

Ásgeir is the co-author of Pro Power BI Administration from APRESS and the Power BI MVP book

Ásgeir is passionate about data and loves solving problem with BI.

Ásgeir brings nearly two decades of experience in designing and implementing scalable data platforms using Microsoft technologies. With deep expertise in data architecture, data engineering, and analytics, he helps organizations turn complex data lan... Show more

Alessandro Melchiori

Alessandro Melchiori

Software craftsman, husband, father, ex-sportsman and inquiring reader. Since I was young I have loved taking apart and reassembling things to understand how they work. Now, this passion has become my job: the step from Lego® to software development was small.
Finding the best possible solution so that a complex system can work at its best and making it run smoothly are the goals of my work. C# and Azure make up my survival toolkit and help me cruise through distributed systems and enterprise solutions, with ease.
Be it a command or an event, I try to do my best in contributing to the life of the communities that have adopted me, trying to “give back” at least a part of what I have received over these years.

Software craftsman, husband, father, ex-sportsman and inquiring reader. Since I was young I have loved taking apart and reassembling things to understand how they work. Now, this passion has become my job: the step from Lego® to software development ... Show more

Yitzhak David

Yitzhak David

David Yitzhak, Team leader of Big Data and Nosql databases
David Yitzhak has over 24 years of experience with SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase and PostgreSQL . He is an applicative & infrastructure DBA for relational and Nosql solutions (MongoDB, Redis), Hadoop CDH and Spark. David is a specialist in HA and DRP solutions, tuning, Machine learning , security, High Performance Computing, replication (Oracle & SQL Server), BI infrastructure and system engineering. David Yitzhak holds 3 Degrees from Technicon (Israel Institute of Technology): BSC Information System , MBA and ME (System engineering) and research associate in one of the enterprise Organization. He presents in Oracle open world 2010, Organize Oracle ILOUG for 3 years , SQL Server forums, Microsoft BI forums, Sqlsaturday 2016/17/18/19/20 , DATA SATURDAY , Power Camps , GroupBy Europe , Future Data Driven , Data Platforms GlobalHebrew , Code PaLOUsa 2021\2 , Pass summit 2021 and more …

David Yitzhak, Team leader of Big Data and Nosql databases David Yitzhak has over 24 years of experience with SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase and PostgreSQL . He is an applicative & infrastructure DBA for relational and Nosql solutions (MongoDB, Redis),... Show more

Michael Seidl

Michael Seidl

Michael is an IT Process automation Expert with Customers all around the Globe, a Cloud and Datacenter MVP since 2015, and an au2mation enthusiast.

Michael is an IT Process automation Expert with Customers all around the Globe, a Cloud and Datacenter MVP since 2015, and an au2mation enthusiast. Show more

Mitchel Sellers

Mitchel Sellers

Mitchel Sellers is globally known as a 17-time Microsoft MVP, an ASPInsider, a DNN MVP, is an MCP (Microsoft .NET, ASP.NET and SQL Server), and CEO of IowaComputerGurus Inc. Sellers has a deep understanding of software development and when speaking focuses on proper architecture standards, performance, stability, security, and overall cost-effectiveness of delivered solutions. This message and his abilities resonate in the technical war room as well as the executive board room.

Mitchel is a prolific public speaker, presenting more than 400 sessions at user groups and conferences globally, such as DevUp, SDN, and Code PaLOUsa. Sellers has been the author of multiple books and a regular blogger on technology topics.

When Mitchel is not working in technology, you will find him flying his airplane, teaching others how to fly, or spending time with his family He is also actively involved in the Open Source Community working diligently to further the movement. Find out more about Sellers at his website http://www.mitchelsellers.com.

Mitchel Sellers is globally known as a 17-time Microsoft MVP, an ASPInsider, a DNN MVP, is an MCP (Microsoft .NET, ASP.NET and SQL Server), and CEO of IowaComputerGurus Inc. Sellers has a deep understanding of software development and when speaking f... Show more

Savannah Dill

Savannah Dill

Savannah Dill is an influential Business Intelligence Analyst, deeply passionate about Microsoft's Power Platform. Her mission is to demystify data analytics and empower individuals and organizations to make informed decisions using data insights, blending technical with storytelling.

Outside of her professional life, Savannah dedicates her time to managing "Not a Pickle Blog" and is in the process of launching a podcast named "D20 Dynamics," aiming to broaden her educational outreach and foster deeper community engagement. S

Always warm and human.

Savannah Dill is an influential Business Intelligence Analyst, deeply passionate about Microsoft's Power Platform. Her mission is to demystify data analytics and empower individuals and organizations to make informed decisions using data insights, bl... Show more

Anupama Natarajan

Anupama Natarajan

Anu Natarajan is a Data, AI, and Cloud Architect with over 25 years of experience delivering modern data platforms, AI solutions, and cloud-native applications. She is a Microsoft Data Platform & AI MVP, Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), and Microsoft Certified Trainer Community Lead, recognized for her technical expertise and community leadership.

As Founder and Director of Pearl Innovations Limited, Anu helps organizations harness the power of Microsoft Azure, Microsoft Fabric, Azure Databricks, Power BI, and AI to solve complex business challenges. Pearl Innovations is also committed to empowering women returning to the workforce by providing mentorship, real-world experience, and opportunities to build successful careers in technology.

Anu Natarajan is a Data, AI, and Cloud Architect with over 25 years of experience delivering modern data platforms, AI solutions, and cloud-native applications. She is a Microsoft Data Platform & AI MVP, Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), and Microso... Show more

Catalin Gheorghiu

Catalin Gheorghiu

Catalin Gheorghiu is a solution architect from Timisoara Romania. The current interests are in the area of (I)IoT, industrial mobile and cloud solutions. In addition to addressing the software development and architecture, is a trainer and consultant. In his spare time is member of the technical community, contributing with articles and blogs (signed MrSmersh), presentations to several user groups/meetups (also is RONUA Timisoara user group leader), and lecturing all over Romania and abroad.
Since 2011, every year he was awarded the Microsoft MVP Award. Is also a current holder of the Intel Software Innovator Award. Is a current Microsoft Certified Trainer.

Catalin Gheorghiu is a solution architect from Timisoara Romania. The current interests are in the area of (I)IoT, industrial mobile and cloud solutions. In addition to addressing the software development and architecture, is a trainer and consultant... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.