Most Active Speakers 2023

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2023!

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Ruby Jane Cabagnot

Ruby Jane Cabagnot

Ruby Jane Cabagnot, a proficient web developer, speaker, and co-author of Practical Enterprise React, is an active figure in the tech world. Passionate about programming languages like TypeScript, C#, and React, RJ's ongoing learning fuels her drive for innovation and boundary-pushing. She is dedicated to educating and promoting women in technology.

Ruby Jane Cabagnot, a proficient web developer, speaker, and co-author of Practical Enterprise React, is an active figure in the tech world. Passionate about programming languages like TypeScript, C#, and React, RJ's ongoing learning fuels her drive ... Show more

Régis Schneider

Régis Schneider

Je suis marié, avec 2 enfants (14 & 15 ans). J'apprécie particulièrement les voyages éloignés, mais aussi ceux au bout de la rue. Tant d'opportunités de rencontrer et d'apprendre !
Le mot que j'apprécie le moins : "Normal".
Un mot que je n'apprécie pas trop : "Bienveillance". Un principe que j'apprécie beaucoup : "Bienveillance".
Sinon, tombé dans Agile en 2009, je ne veux maintenant plus m'en sortir, que ce soit à la maison ou au boulot. Je tente de développer depuis un positionnement de facilitateur, de produit et d’équipe.

Je suis marié, avec 2 enfants (14 & 15 ans). J'apprécie particulièrement les voyages éloignés, mais aussi ceux au bout de la rue. Tant d'opportunités de rencontrer et d'apprendre ! Le mot que j'apprécie le moins : "Normal". Un mot que je n'apprécie... Show more

Dave Stokes

Dave Stokes

Dave Stokes has worked for organizations ranging alphabetically from the American Heart Association to Xerox in areas ranging from anti-submarine warfare to webmaster. He lives in a small Texas town with the required hound dog and pickup truck. Dave is the Author of MySQL & JSON - A Practical Programming Guide, now in a second edition.

Dave Stokes has worked for organizations ranging alphabetically from the American Heart Association to Xerox in areas ranging from anti-submarine warfare to webmaster. He lives in a small Texas town with the required hound dog and pickup truck. Dave... Show more

Michael Roth

Michael Roth

Michael Roth has been working as a consultant since 2011 and found his way into the IT around 2015. He focuses on Power Platform Governance, Administration, Security as well as organizational implementation. Coming from an M365 background, he has a holistic view of the entire platform.

Michael Roth has been working as a consultant since 2011 and found his way into the IT around 2015. He focuses on Power Platform Governance, Administration, Security as well as organizational implementation. Coming from an M365 background, he has a h... Show more

Luis Beltran

Luis Beltran

I'm a Microsoft MVP in Azure, Artificial Intelligence, and Developer Technologies. I am currently pursuing a PhD in Engineering Informatics at Tomas Bata University in Zlin, Czech Republic.

I've been developing .NET apps for +10 years. I find C# a really powerful language which allow us to create different kinds of software. I focus on mobile apps (Xamarin/.NET MAUI), cloud computing (Azure) and AI.

I enjoy sharing my knowledge with others.

I'm a Microsoft MVP in Azure, Artificial Intelligence, and Developer Technologies. I am currently pursuing a PhD in Engineering Informatics at Tomas Bata University in Zlin, Czech Republic. I've been developing .NET apps for +10 years. I find C# a... Show more

Francesco Sciuti

Francesco Sciuti

Francesco (Google Developer Expert, Microsoft MVP, Google Certified Developer & AWS UG Lead), is a programmer with several years of experience in enterprise programming , high skilled in web development (frontend and backend) and in team project management.

I have a keen interest in new technologies and in IT development and I’m always upgrading and evaluating my knowledge and skills to stay at the cutting-edge of web development.

My outstanding verbal and written communication skills let me involved in lots of meetings, workshop and courses both in Sicily and in Italy as a speaker and tech event organizer.

Focused on continual professional and technological improvement: books, courses, articles, forums and regular attender of tech events where I can meet new and interesting people with which exchange as much as possible ideas and technical knowledge.

I want to put myself in challenges both in the personal and professional side and this is way I’m involved ,as an active contributor, in many Italian communities (Angular ,React, Javascript ,GDG, PUG, etc…) and I contribute as a counselor to CoderDojo Foundation (Computational youth learning).

I’ve worked for a long time as a employee and then as a freelancer, but nowadays I has my own company: Acadevmy – Software Factory, founded with my friends Andrea and Salvo.

Francesco (Google Developer Expert, Microsoft MVP, Google Certified Developer & AWS UG Lead), is a programmer with several years of experience in enterprise programming , high skilled in web development (frontend and backend) and in team project mana... Show more

Tobias Fenster

Tobias Fenster

Tobias Fenster started as a developer in the 1990s. Holding different positions including Head of Technical Consulting, Head of Development and CTO for multiple Microsoft partners during his career, he is now a Managing Director at 4PS Germany and Chief Engineer at Hilti. He is also a Microsoft Regional Director, holds dual Microsoft MVP awards for Business Applications and Azure and is a Docker Captain.

He is blogging on tobiasfenster.io, where he writes about Business Applications, Docker and Windows Containers, but also tooling like Azure DevOps, Visual Studio Code and infrastructure automation. His other focus is Azure, mainly around container environments and SQL.

Tobias Fenster started as a developer in the 1990s. Holding different positions including Head of Technical Consulting, Head of Development and CTO for multiple Microsoft partners during his career, he is now a Managing Director at 4PS Germany and Ch... Show more

Obumuneme Nwabude

Obumuneme Nwabude

Obum is a Google Developer Expert (GDE) in the Dart & Flutter category. He is also a Full-Stack Blockchain and Web developer with professional frontend, backend, and web3 experiences. He has written several articles on Flutter in various publications and volunteers in tech communities.

Obum is a Google Developer Expert (GDE) in the Dart & Flutter category. He is also a Full-Stack Blockchain and Web developer with professional frontend, backend, and web3 experiences. He has written several articles on Flutter in various publications... Show more

Laurent Bugnion

Laurent Bugnion

Laurent Bugnion is a Principal Cloud Advocate and at Microsoft, where he leads the end-to-end strategy, coordination, and execution of hands-on labs across Microsoft's first-party events. He oversees lab selection, development, vendor collaboration, and on-site operations to ensure high-quality attendee experiences. A recognized expert in C# development, Laurent works across Azure, Windows, WPF, Xamarin, and ASP.NET. He is a frequent speaker at global conferences including Microsoft Build, Microsoft Ignite, Microsoft AI Tour, Techorama, Experts Live, VS Live and more. He shares insights on his blog at galasoft.ch/posts. Prior to joining Microsoft, he held roles at Siemens, IdentityMine, and Valorem, and was a Microsoft MVP (2007-2017), Regional Director (from 2013), and Xamarin MVP (from 2015). He is also the creator of the widely used legacy open-source framework MVVM Light.

Laurent Bugnion is a Principal Cloud Advocate and at Microsoft, where he leads the end-to-end strategy, coordination, and execution of hands-on labs across Microsoft's first-party events. He oversees lab selection, development, vendor collaboration,... Show more

Brendan O'Leary

Brendan O'Leary

Brendan O'Leary is a Developer Relations Engineer at Kilo Code (kilocode.ai), on a mission to help people leverage AI effectively in their workflows, and is an advisor to various startups. Having worked in software his entire career, Brendan has had the privilege of working with many customers. Previously at Prefect, GitLab and a board member of the CNCF – it is clear, every company is a software company. That means every company needs software and AI operational excellence. Outside of work, you'll find Brendan with 1 to 4 kids hanging off of him at any given time or occasionally finding a moment alone to build something in his workshop.

Brendan O'Leary is a Developer Relations Engineer at Kilo Code (kilocode.ai), on a mission to help people leverage AI effectively in their workflows, and is an advisor to various startups. Having worked in software his entire career, Brendan has had ... Show more

Sean McDonough

Sean McDonough

Sean is a solution architect and consultant in the Microsoft cloud ecosystem. As a certified MCP, MCTS, and MCPD, Sean has 25+ years of experience developing software, building infrastructures, and solving technical problems. Unable to take anything except the deep dive into any role, Sean has acquired a diverse and expansive skill set as consultant, product manager, solution architect, team lead, administrator, technical delivery manager, and platform evangelist through the years. Some might label his passion for all things tech related as borderline 'obsession', but it is equal only to his desire to share those discoveries and experiences with others as author, blogger, and frequent speaker/instructor at technical conferences, user groups, and similar events all over North America. Sean is also a Microsoft MVP. He can be reached through his blog (https://SharePointInterface.com) and various social channels.

Sean is a solution architect and consultant in the Microsoft cloud ecosystem. As a certified MCP, MCTS, and MCPD, Sean has 25+ years of experience developing software, building infrastructures, and solving technical problems. Unable to take anything ... Show more

Femke Cornelissen

Femke Cornelissen

Femke Cornelissen is Chief Copilot at Wortell. She is also the founder of Dutch Women in Tech (DWIT). Femke's goal with DWIT is to connect women in tech and help to inspire young women to choose a job in IT. Women can connect through the community in Microsoft Teams and various on- and offline events.

Femke is also a Microsoft 365 blogger with only Dutch content. Her goal is to organize, speak and attend conferences to learn, connect and share knowledge with others.

Find out more at www.femkecornelissen.com

Femke Cornelissen is Chief Copilot at Wortell. She is also the founder of Dutch Women in Tech (DWIT). Femke's goal with DWIT is to connect women in tech and help to inspire young women to choose a job in IT. Women can connect through the community in... Show more

Akanksha Malik

Akanksha Malik

Akanksha is a Managing Principal at IRIS by Argon & Co, a Microsoft AI MVP and an international speaker. As the founder of Paths Uncovered, she is dedicated to showcasing non-traditional routes into technology, encouraging diversity and inclusion in the industry alongside consulting work. After studying Financial Maths and Actuarial Science at UCC, Ireland, she realised she wanted to work with people as well as numbers. As a consultant, she works with clients to help them solve problems by making more informed decisions with data.

Her belief in making technology, particularly AI, accessible to all is evident through the numerous community events, meetups, and conferences she organises. She is the co-founder and director of Women Coders alongside Gretch, dedicated to building a more equitable world, and advisory board member for Kaleida, a career growth platform.

Akanksha is a Managing Principal at IRIS by Argon & Co, a Microsoft AI MVP and an international speaker. As the founder of Paths Uncovered, she is dedicated to showcasing non-traditional routes into technology, encouraging diversity and inclusion in ... Show more

Soumaya Erradi

Soumaya Erradi

I'm an experienced web developer and a passionate IT and electronics trainer, specializing in frontend development and enterprise applications built with Angular.
I spend most of my time exploring what's new in the tech world and helping other developers improve their skills.
As a conference speaker, I bring advanced Angular topics, tips for the integration of smart contracts and best solutions for web3 applications.

I'm an experienced web developer and a passionate IT and electronics trainer, specializing in frontend development and enterprise applications built with Angular. I spend most of my time exploring what's new in the tech world and helping other devel... Show more

Grishma Jena

Grishma Jena

Grishma Jena is a Data Scientist with the Product Excellence Office at IBM in San Francisco. As the only Data Scientist in the org, she supports 100+ user researchers and designers and uses data to understand user struggles and opportunities to enhance product experiences. She has received the Outstanding Technical Achievement Award (Major), one of the most prestigious company-wide awards, as recognition of her work.

She earned her Masters in Computer Science at University of Pennsylvania. Her research interests are in Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing. She has delivered 50+ talks and workshops across 10 countries including at PyCon US (largest Python conference in the world), QCon and LeadDev. She has also taught Python at the San Francisco Public Library and frequently guides school and university students.

Grishma is extremely passionate about encouraging, mentoring, and empowering people, especially women and students, in the world of technology. She has been recognized by the Python Software Foundation as a Fellow for her extraordinary efforts and impact upon Python, the community, and the broader Python ecosystem. She won the Silver Stevie Award for Changemaker of the Year (Gender) and was selected as one of Women Impact Tech honorees. She serves on the AI/ML Advisory Board for DevNetwork. She is also an ambassador for the Women in Data Science initiative, as well as a part of the leadership team for Society of Women Engineers - Golden Gate Section. In 2023, she was recognized by Women Who Code as one of 100 Technologists To Watch for her excellence, innovation, and leadership, and was also a finalist for Venture Beat's Women in AI mentorship award.

In her free time, she likes to write, cook, and explore new places.

Grishma Jena is a Data Scientist with the Product Excellence Office at IBM in San Francisco. As the only Data Scientist in the org, she supports 100+ user researchers and designers and uses data to understand user struggles and opportunities to enhan... Show more

Sylvia Dieckmann

Sylvia Dieckmann

Sylvia is a Google Developer Expert for Flutter/Dart. Her preferred professional role includes some IT management but also enough hands-on development work to keep her dev skills sharp. Her main interest lies in exploring new technologies in the space of mobile apps and web technologies. She is currently playing with Flutter, Firebase, and some ML for Android but might change focus as new technologies pop up. 
Sylvia divides her time between South Africa and Germany. She is a Women Techmaker (WTM) Ambassador and an active member of the GDG Cape Town chapter. She is a frequent speaker at GDG events and aims to support the developer community through mentoring and events.

Sylvia is a Google Developer Expert for Flutter/Dart. Her preferred professional role includes some IT management but also enough hands-on development work to keep her dev skills sharp. Her main interest lies in exploring new technologies in the spac... Show more

Martin Catherall

Martin Catherall

Martin Catherall is a Data Architect working on Microsoft Data Platform technologies. He is currently based in Brisbane, Australia.

Martin’s career has expanded from the world of SQL Server Administration and T-SQL development to encompass data engineering and architecture on the Microsoft Azure Platform.

He has over 15 years’ experience in the data industry and has been a recipient of the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Award since 2014

When he is not engaged in data related activities, he can be found exploring the Queensland landscape (he’s recently escaped Melbourne), learning about Minecraft or Super Mario from his kids and learning the guitar – despite being tone deaf!

Martin is the co-host of DataPlatform downunder
https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/data-platform-downunder-meetup-group/

Martin Catherall is a Data Architect working on Microsoft Data Platform technologies. He is currently based in Brisbane, Australia. Martin’s career has expanded from the world of SQL Server Administration and T-SQL development to encompass data en... Show more

Liz Sundet

Liz Sundet

Liz loves a challenge, so everything from a business problem to troubleshooting an error in a system is just another learning opportunity. As a trainer and international speaker, she hopes to inspire others to learn something they can apply to their own work immediately. When she is not working in SharePoint or traveling, you may find her in a variety of activities as diverse as she is: playing music, riding motorcycles, training her dog and even a craft or two.

Liz loves a challenge, so everything from a business problem to troubleshooting an error in a system is just another learning opportunity. As a trainer and international speaker, she hopes to inspire others to learn something they can apply to their ... Show more

Cathrine Wilhelmsen

Cathrine Wilhelmsen

Cathrine loves data and coding, as well as teaching and sharing knowledge 🤓 She is based in Norway and works as a Data & Analytics Principal Consultant in Evidi, focusing on Data Integration and Data Warehousing. Her core skills are Microsoft Fabric, Azure Synapse Analytics, Azure Data Factory, Azure SQL, SQL Server and T-SQL development, but she enjoys everything from programming to data visualization. Outside of work she’s active in the Azure and Microsoft Data communities as a Microsoft Data Platform MVP, international speaker, blogger, organizer, and chronic volunteer. She blogs at cathrinew.net and posts as @cathrinew.net on Bluesky.

Cathrine loves data and coding, as well as teaching and sharing knowledge 🤓 She is based in Norway and works as a Data & Analytics Principal Consultant in Evidi, focusing on Data Integration and Data Warehousing. Her core skills are Microsoft Fabric... Show more

Eduard Keilholz

Eduard Keilholz

Eduard Keilholz is a seasoned software developer and cloud architect at 4Dotnet, where he specializes in Microsoft development and cloud technologies. With a passion for helping organizations build highly performant cloud software solutions, Eduard has made significant contributions in the field of cloud architecture.

He is the author of the book Azure Infrastructure as Code, which delves into infrastructure automation using Azure, and is a frequent international conference speaker. Eduard is also the founder of the DotnetFriday meetup platform, a community initiative hosted in the Netherlands that fosters collaboration and learning among .NET professionals.

In addition to his development and community activities, Eduard created SpreaView, a platform designed to give conference organizers and speakers deeper insights into their performance by automating speaker evaluations. His contributions to the Microsoft community have earned him the prestigious title of Microsoft MVP since 2020.

Eduard Keilholz is a seasoned software developer and cloud architect at 4Dotnet, where he specializes in Microsoft development and cloud technologies. With a passion for helping organizations build highly performant cloud software solutions, Eduard h... Show more

Tiffany Jernigan

Tiffany Jernigan

Tiffany is senior developer advocate at Grafana Labs and a CNCF Ambassador. She also formerly worked as a software developer and developer advocate at VMware, Amazon, Docker, and Intel. Prior to that, she graduated from Georgia Tech with a degree in electrical engineering. In her free time, she likes to travel and dabble in photography. You can find her at tiffanyfay.dev (and for Bluesky) and elsewhere on linktr.ee/tiffanyfay.

Tiffany is senior developer advocate at Grafana Labs and a CNCF Ambassador. She also formerly worked as a software developer and developer advocate at VMware, Amazon, Docker, and Intel. Prior to that, she graduated from Georgia Tech with a degree in ... Show more

Diana Montalion

Diana Montalion

Diana and her teammates build modern software systems for diverse clients. She has 20+ years experience engineering and architecting software systems for organizations including Stanford, The Gates Foundation, Memorial Sloan Kettering and Teach For All. She has also served as Principal Systems Architect for The Economist and The Wikimedia Foundation.

She wrote the O’Reilly book, Learning Systems Thinking: Essential Nonlinear Skills & Practices for Software Professionals. Her company, Mentrix, publishes courses and learning materials for aspiring nonlinear thinkers.

Diana lives in the Hudson Valley (New York, USA) with three dogs, one cat and nine chickens.

Diana and her teammates build modern software systems for diverse clients. She has 20+ years experience engineering and architecting software systems for organizations including Stanford, The Gates Foundation, Memorial Sloan Kettering and Teach For A... Show more

Jessica Randall

Jessica Randall

Jessica Randall is a Master's graduate in Mathematics, an Android developer Co-lead at Mentorlst, and a Zindi Ambassador. Deeply immersed in the world of Android development, she is passionate about Kotlin and Jetpack Compose, thriving in the collaborative environment of Android Studio.

She applies her background in data science and Topological Data Analysis to address complex societal issues. As a Zindi Ambassador, she advocates for data science and machine learning, empowering others to solve real-world problems through technology.

As an organizer for GDG Cape Town, she fosters local developer communities and shapes impactful tech events in South Africa. Her journey as a Google Crowdsource Influencer sparked her interest in AI and Machine Learning, fueling her continuous learning. A forward-thinker, she is an inspiring figure in the ever-evolving tech landscape.

Jessica Randall is a Master's graduate in Mathematics, an Android developer Co-lead at Mentorlst, and a Zindi Ambassador. Deeply immersed in the world of Android development, she is passionate about Kotlin and Jetpack Compose, thriving in the collabo... Show more

Diana Pham

Diana Pham

With a high spirit and a low sense of mortality, Diana completed her master’s in CS regardless of never having coded prior to grad school. Through her passion for learning and teaching tech, she found her calling in advocacy, where she exercises her creativity through conference talks and content creation. Her hobbies include snowboarding, competing in beauty pageants, making lifestyle content on IG (@cachefeelings_), gardening, and eating oysters.

With a high spirit and a low sense of mortality, Diana completed her master’s in CS regardless of never having coded prior to grad school. Through her passion for learning and teaching tech, she found her calling in advocacy, where she exercises her ... Show more

Mike Hartington

Mike Hartington

Mike is a developer, Angular GDE, and Developer Advocate at Prisma. Big fan of the web, helping people, and building cool stuff.

Mike is a developer, Angular GDE, and Developer Advocate at Prisma. Big fan of the web, helping people, and building cool stuff. Show more

Sarah Young

Sarah Young

Once described on Reddit as “technically challenged”, Sarah is a Principal Security Advocate working at Microsoft. She has lived all over the place but currently calls Melbourne home.

Sarah has been working in cyber security since before it was cool, has previously spoken at many security conferences including Black Hat and has co-authored a few Microsoft Press technical books. She is an active supporter of security communities across the globe and a co-host of the Microsoft Azure Security Podcast.

Sarah spends most of her spare time gaming, taking part in Melbourne's official sport of brunching, taking high tea and spending a disproportionate amount of her income on her dogs.

Once described on Reddit as “technically challenged”, Sarah is a Principal Security Advocate working at Microsoft. She has lived all over the place but currently calls Melbourne home. Sarah has been working in cyber security since before it was co... Show more

Feline Parein

Feline Parein

Feline Parein is a business consultant with a big focus on all things Microsoft. She’s a certified Power Platform consultant and has hands-on experience with setting up enterprise-level applications and processes within the Power Platform.

Feline Parein is a business consultant with a big focus on all things Microsoft. She’s a certified Power Platform consultant and has hands-on experience with setting up enterprise-level applications and processes within the Power Platform. Show more

Martina Grom

Martina Grom

I’ve spent almost three decades in IT, always drawn to the places where technology can make work better for real people. Long before cloud, governance, and AI became mainstream, I was already exploring how to make these technologies practical, secure, and human‑centric.
As the Principal, Co‑Founder & CEO of atwork, I help organizations modernize how they operate—bringing together Microsoft 365, Azure, security, governance, and AI to create workplaces that are built for the future, not just for today.
I’m a long‑time Microsoft MVP and have been a Microsoft Regional Director since 2015. I also founded the Global AI Community – Vienna Chapter to give people a welcoming, accessible place to learn about AI and experiment with what’s possible.
Sharing knowledge has always been a big part of who I am. Whether I’m consulting, speaking, writing, or building community, I want to empower others to understand technology deeply and use it confidently. I hold a master’s degree in International Business Administration from the University of Vienna—but the real learning has come from helping people navigate change every day.

I’ve spent almost three decades in IT, always drawn to the places where technology can make work better for real people. Long before cloud, governance, and AI became mainstream, I was already exploring how to make these technologies practical, secure... Show more

Anupama Natarajan

Anupama Natarajan

Anu is a Data and AI Consultant with 25+ years of experience working in design and development of Data Warehouse, Business Intelligence, AI enabled applications and SaaS integrated solutions. Anu is a Microsoft Data Platform and AI MVP, Microsoft Certified Trainer and really passionate in sharing knowledge. Anu loves solving complex business problems with innovative solutions using technologies.

Anu do speak at Conferences (PASS Summit, SQL Saturdays, Data Platform Summit, Difinity) and organise local user group meetups.

Anu is a Data and AI Consultant with 25+ years of experience working in design and development of Data Warehouse, Business Intelligence, AI enabled applications and SaaS integrated solutions. Anu is a Microsoft Data Platform and AI MVP, Microsoft Cer... Show more

Jon Jarvis

Jon Jarvis

Microsoft MVP & MCT | Sessionize Top 3% speaker 2022 & 2023

Jon specialises in Microsoft 365 with over 10 years of experience in consultancy and pre-sales; Jon is passionate about Microsoft products and especially enjoys the Microsoft Defender and Intune suites.

Jon is the co-host of the Microsoft Spotlight podcast, which has over 50 episodes of interviews with Women in Tech about their careers and journeys.

Jon particularly likes discussing Microsoft Security and Windows 365 and holds a Microsoft MVP in Intune and Windows 365.

Microsoft MVP & MCT | Sessionize Top 3% speaker 2022 & 2023 Jon specialises in Microsoft 365 with over 10 years of experience in consultancy and pre-sales; Jon is passionate about Microsoft products and especially enjoys the Microsoft Defender and... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2023

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2023.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2023. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 25 thousand unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 771. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2023. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.