Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Samir Daoudi

Samir Daoudi

Microsoft MVP in the category of Business Applications - PowerApps.
I am a certified PowerPlatform Architect (MCSE) and have more than 13 Years experience with Microsoft Technologies Stack.
I have +18 Microsoft Certifications, and I've been specializing in Microsoft PowerPlatform for the last 5 years.
I blog regularly via my personal blog https://www.samtech365.com

Microsoft MVP in the category of Business Applications - PowerApps. I am a certified PowerPlatform Architect (MCSE) and have more than 13 Years experience with Microsoft Technologies Stack. I have +18 Microsoft Certifications, and I've been special... Show more

Michael Eaton

Michael Eaton

Michael Eaton is a proven technical leader and developer with almost three decades of experience focused almost exclusively on building solutions for the Microsoft ecosystem. He is a blogger and writes about leadership and technology.

Michael Eaton is a proven technical leader and developer with almost three decades of experience focused almost exclusively on building solutions for the Microsoft ecosystem. He is a blogger and writes about leadership and technology. Show more

Poornima Nayar

Poornima Nayar

Poornima is a .Net developer with over 10 years of experience in .Net. She is passionate about learning new technologies and keeping herself up-to-date with the latest developments in technology. Outside her work, Poornima enjoys music and is undergoing training in Indian Classical music. Based in Langley, UK she mothers a little girl and spends her spare time reading, cooking and watching movies.

Poornima is a .Net developer with over 10 years of experience in .Net. She is passionate about learning new technologies and keeping herself up-to-date with the latest developments in technology. Outside her work, Poornima enjoys music and is undergo... Show more

Lewis Prince

Lewis Prince

Senior AI Engineer and international speaker, Lewis Prince specializes in building scalable AI solutions and predictive models that deliver real-world impact. He is known for his ability to simplify complex AI concepts and inspire organizations to innovate with confidence.

Senior AI Engineer and international speaker, Lewis Prince specializes in building scalable AI solutions and predictive models that deliver real-world impact. He is known for his ability to simplify complex AI concepts and inspire organizations to in... Show more

Rui Carvalho

Rui Carvalho

Currently based in Portugal, I have been serving as a Data Engineer for 7 years. My expertise lies in leveraging SSIS and SSAS technologies with SQL Server Datawarehouse, primarily focusing on building ETL over diverse sources in the health sector. My proficiency extends to utilizing Azure tools like DataFactory, Data Lake, and Azure Synapse to build ETL across various business domains.

Currently based in Portugal, I have been serving as a Data Engineer for 7 years. My expertise lies in leveraging SSIS and SSAS technologies with SQL Server Datawarehouse, primarily focusing on building ETL over diverse sources in the health sector. M... Show more

Clément Serafin

Clément Serafin

I am Clément SERAFIN, architect and MVP on Microsoft 365.
Specialized in tenant 365 migrations during merge & acquisitions, I currently advise companies on several areas of Microsoft 365:
– Entra ID (Security, IAM)
– Teams (Call center, Teams Premium, Mesh)
– Exchange Online / Hybrid (Migration, Security)
– Copilot 365
– Defender for Office 365
– PowerShell advanced automation (Graph, Xaml Gui)

I am Clément SERAFIN, architect and MVP on Microsoft 365. Specialized in tenant 365 migrations during merge & acquisitions, I currently advise companies on several areas of Microsoft 365: – Entra ID (Security, IAM) – Teams (Call center, Teams Prem... Show more

Dominick Raimato

Dominick Raimato

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house to building a database of property assessments to make sure his house is in line with other properties to avoid overpaying taxes. Passionate about people, Dominick strives to create solutions that not just help achieve business objectives, but also make people’s lives better. If he can help someone get home earlier to eat dinner with their family or eliminate time consuming tasks so they can focus on more important things, he is in his element.

Dominick currently lives in Bergen County, NJ where he can be found around the house working on projects or cooking in the kitchen. His specialty dishes include his homemade meat sauce in the winter and pulled pork bar-b-que on his smoker during the summer. He also ventures into New York City frequently to see his wife perform as a flutist with small ensembles, orchestras, and theaters.

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house t... Show more

Ricardo Rincon

Ricardo Rincon

I have a degree in computer science, a passion for modeling and data analysis with Power BI, 13 years of experience in BI and 9 years with Power BI, and my entire career working with data and business metrics.

I have a degree in computer science, a passion for modeling and data analysis with Power BI, 13 years of experience in BI and 9 years with Power BI, and my entire career working with data and business metrics. Show more

Bob Ward

Bob Ward

Bob Ward is a Principal Architect for the Microsoft Azure Data team, which owns the development for Microsoft SQL ground to cloud to fabric. Bob has worked for Microsoft for 31+ years on every version of SQL Server shipped from OS/2 1.1 to SQL Server 2025 including Azure SQL and SQL database in Fabric. Bob is a well-known speaker on SQL Server, Azure SQL, AI, and Microsoft Fabric often presenting talks on new releases, internals, and specialized topics at events such as SQLBits, Microsoft Build, Microsoft Ignite, PASS Summit, Fabric Community Conference, and VS Live. You can also learn Azure SQL from him on the popular series https://aka.ms/azuresql4beginners. You can follow him at @bobwardms or linkedin.com/in/bobwardms. Bob is the author of the books Pro SQL Server on Linux, SQL Server 2019 Revealed, Azure SQL Revealed, SQL Server 2022 Revealed, and Azure SQL Revealed 2nd Edition available from Apress Media.

Bob Ward is a Principal Architect for the Microsoft Azure Data team, which owns the development for Microsoft SQL ground to cloud to fabric. Bob has worked for Microsoft for 31+ years on every version of SQL Server shipped from OS/2 1.1 to SQL Server... Show more

Hugo Bernier

Hugo Bernier

Hugo is the world's laziest developer. He will always look for the easiest way to solve a problem.

He is also a member of the Microsoft 365 Patterns and Practices (PnP) team.

As a Microsoft MVP and former McKinsey & Company consultant, Hugo combines his love of technology and his management consulting experience to help organizations solve business problems quickly using enabling Microsoft technologies.

Hugo worked in Canada, the United States, Germany, Finland, Singapore, Hungary, France, and the United Kingdom, where he consumed vast amounts of coffee.

Hugo is the world's laziest developer. He will always look for the easiest way to solve a problem. He is also a member of the Microsoft 365 Patterns and Practices (PnP) team. As a Microsoft MVP and former McKinsey & Company consultant, Hugo c... Show more

Sarath Sasidharan

Sarath Sasidharan

As a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft, I leverage my expertise in Fabric, Azure, and data architecture to help customers in the EMEA region overcome critical challenges and achieve their business goals. I have over 14 years of experience in designing, building, and monitoring data solutions that span integration, preparation, analytics, and reporting layers for various industries and domains.

I am passionate about enabling organizations to generate value from their data and empowering them with next-generation data and AI capabilities. I also contribute to the community by speaking at internal and external events and sharing insights and guidance on data strategy, governance, and architecture both within Microsoft Fabric and beyond.

Co-creator of Data Pancakes Channel, which talks about data management: https://www.youtube.com/@DataPancakes

As a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft, I leverage my expertise in Fabric, Azure, and data architecture to help customers in the EMEA region overcome critical challenges and achieve their business goals. I have over 14 years of experience in design... Show more

Dave Stokes

Dave Stokes

Dave Stokes has worked for organizations ranging alphabetically from the American Heart Association to Xerox in areas ranging from anti-submarine warfare to webmaster. He lives in a small Texas town with the required hound dog and pickup truck. Dave is the Author of MySQL & JSON - A Practical Programming Guide, now in a second edition.

Dave Stokes has worked for organizations ranging alphabetically from the American Heart Association to Xerox in areas ranging from anti-submarine warfare to webmaster. He lives in a small Texas town with the required hound dog and pickup truck. Dave... Show more

John Morehouse

John Morehouse

John Morehouse is a Principal Consultant with Denny Cherry & Associates Consulting living in Chesapeake, Virginia. Honored to be a Microsoft Data Platform MVP & former VMWare vExpert, having over 2 decades of technical experience, John now focuses on solving crucial business problems with Microsoft SQL Server oriented solutions. John has a passion around speaking, teaching technical topics and giving back to his community whenever possible. He is a blogger, avid tweeter, and a frequent speaker at conferences and user groups whenever possible. If you want to find John, you can find him on Twitter (@sqlrus) or on his blog, http://sqlrus.com.

John Morehouse is a Principal Consultant with Denny Cherry & Associates Consulting living in Chesapeake, Virginia. Honored to be a Microsoft Data Platform MVP & former VMWare vExpert, having over 2 decades of technical experience, John now focuses on... Show more

Mirco Vanini

Mirco Vanini

Consultant focused on industrial and embedded solutions using .NET and other native SDKs with over 35 years of experience, XeDotNet community co-founder, speaker and Microsoft MVP since 2012. Passionate and curious about everything that revolves around the IoT world.

Consultant focused on industrial and embedded solutions using .NET and other native SDKs with over 35 years of experience, XeDotNet community co-founder, speaker and Microsoft MVP since 2012. Passionate and curious about everything that revolves arou... Show more

Michael Roth

Michael Roth

Michael Roth has been working as a consultant since 2011 and found his way into the IT around 2015. He focuses on Power Platform Governance, Administration, Security as well as organizational implementation. Coming from an M365 background, he has a holistic view of the entire platform.

Michael Roth has been working as a consultant since 2011 and found his way into the IT around 2015. He focuses on Power Platform Governance, Administration, Security as well as organizational implementation. Coming from an M365 background, he has a h... Show more

Saeid Dahl

Saeid Dahl

Saeid Dahl, Microsoft Azure MVP, is honored to be a Community Leader for the Microsoft Zero to Hero and MSFarsi Community, fostering a vibrant network of over 7000 members. With more than 17 years of dedicated experience in the IT industry, Saeid holds the roles of Senior Solution Architect and Technical Leader at Upheads, where his focus lies in Microsoft solutions, particularly Azure.

Recognized for his proficiency in PowerShell, Saeid specializes in automation, integration, and maximizing Azure's capabilities. With a genuine passion for knowledge-sharing, he engages audiences as a public speaker and is committed to mentoring individuals, aiming to inspire through shared insights.

Saeid's expertise encompasses Azure design, offering a deep understanding of Azure Cloud adoption, solution architecture, and navigating Hybrid Cloud environments. His strategic guidance assists organizations on their cloud journey, leveraging his comprehensive knowledge of Azure.

As an active participant in the Azure community, Saeid Dahl humbly embodies a commitment to excellence, innovation, and the empowerment of others through his continuous learning and dedication.

Saeid Dahl, Microsoft Azure MVP, is honored to be a Community Leader for the Microsoft Zero to Hero and MSFarsi Community, fostering a vibrant network of over 7000 members. With more than 17 years of dedicated experience in the IT industry, Saeid hol... Show more

Anja Schröder

Anja Schröder

Anja Schröder is a Microsoft MVP and Modern Workplace Architect at Skaylink. She designs and builds Microsoft 365 architectures and leads their technical implementation from initial concept to rollout. Her approach ensures that solutions are not only secure and reliable but also improve the day-to-day work experience. Her expertise lies in Microsoft Teams, SharePoint, and Copilot. In her sessions, she combines deep technical knowledge with practical examples to show how organizations can unlock the full potential of Microsoft 365.

Anja Schröder is a Microsoft MVP and Modern Workplace Architect at Skaylink. She designs and builds Microsoft 365 architectures and leads their technical implementation from initial concept to rollout. Her approach ensures that solutions are not only... Show more

Michelle Gilbert

Michelle Gilbert

Principal Cloud Solution Architect focused on Modern Work and M365 Copilot. Trusted advisor for delivering the value proposition of Copilot and leading architectural design sessions. Former Director of Modern Work Customer Success, Teams Technical Specialist, Microsoft MVP and Office 365 solution architect in the Twin Cities, MN. She has been delivering business collaboration solutions for years with her focus on Copilot, Teams, Viva, SharePoint, and Office 365. Michelle is the board President of the Minnesota Microsoft 365 User Group, community organizer of MN M365 Workshop Day and has been a member of the SharePoint community since 2009.

Principal Cloud Solution Architect focused on Modern Work and M365 Copilot. Trusted advisor for delivering the value proposition of Copilot and leading architectural design sessions. Former Director of Modern Work Customer Success, Teams Technical Sp... Show more

Magnus Mårtensson

Magnus Mårtensson

Magnus Mårtensson is an entrepreneur, a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for Azure since the start of the cloud, and a Microsoft Regional Director (RD). He is a consultant, architect, product development lead, and he runs his own company Loftysoft. As an international speaker Magnus travels the world to teach, network, learn, and experience. His passions include connecting with audiences and organizing conferences such as CloudBurst and GlobalAzure. He is of course also into good food, wine, and great company. Topping it all is mind-sharing, so when you see him at a conference, come over and say hi!

Magnus Mårtensson is an entrepreneur, a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for Azure since the start of the cloud, and a Microsoft Regional Director (RD). He is a consultant, architect, product development lead, and he runs his own company Lo... Show more

Pieter Nijs

Pieter Nijs

Pieter Nijs is .NET Consultant at Xebia Microsoft Services where he helps customers with 'everything mobile and cloud'.

He has a keen interest in mobile and cloud development and has played a key role in numerous projects, ranging from expansive customer facing healthcare, telecom and media applications to smaller LOB applications.

Currently, Pieter is diving into the fascinating realms of artificial intelligence, exploring how these cutting-edge technologies can bring added value to customer projects and solve complex problems in innovative ways.

Pieter is passionate about constantly exploring and experimenting with new and innovative technologies both at work and in his spare time, which he eagerly shares with others. He is a seasoned speaker at conferences, trainer, and blogger at blog.pieeatingninjas.be. He has been awarded the Microsoft MVP Award since 2017, reflecting his unwavering passion and expertise in serving the community. His first book, 'The MVVM Pattern in .NET MAUI' (published by Packt Publishing), was recently released and has been very well received.

Pieter Nijs is .NET Consultant at Xebia Microsoft Services where he helps customers with 'everything mobile and cloud'. He has a keen interest in mobile and cloud development and has played a key role in numerous projects, ranging from expansive ... Show more

Alfonso Graziano

Alfonso Graziano

Alfonso Graziano is a Tech Lead with a strong background in software engineering, specializing in JavaScript, and distributed systems. Currently at Nearform, Alfonso leads engineering teams to deliver impactful projects, for governmental institutions and enterprise. With a history of scaling teams and designing innovative solutions across industries like fintech and media platforms, Alfonso brings expertise in AWS, Node.js, and React. Passionate about knowledge sharing, he loves to solve problems and contributes to tech communities. In his free time, he enjoys cooking, learning, and spending quality time with loved ones.

Alfonso Graziano is a Tech Lead with a strong background in software engineering, specializing in JavaScript, and distributed systems. Currently at Nearform, Alfonso leads engineering teams to deliver impactful projects, for governmental institutions... Show more

Stephen Chin

Stephen Chin

Stephen Chin is VP of Developer Relations at Neo4j, conference chair of the LF AI & Data Foundation, and author of numerous titles including the upcoming GraphRAG: The Definitive Guide for O'Reilly. He has given keynotes and main stage talks at numerous conferences around the world including AI Engineer Summit, AI DevSummit, Devoxx, DevNexus, JNation, JavaOne, Shift, Joker, swampUP, and GIDS. Stephen is an avid motorcyclist who has done evangelism tours in Europe, Japan, and Brazil, interviewing developers in their natural habitat. When he is not traveling, he enjoys teaching kids how to do AI, embedded, and robot programming together with his daughters.

Stephen Chin is VP of Developer Relations at Neo4j, conference chair of the LF AI & Data Foundation, and author of numerous titles including the upcoming GraphRAG: The Definitive Guide for O'Reilly. He has given keynotes and main stage talks at numer... Show more

Michiel Hamers

Michiel Hamers

Hi, I’m Michiel Hamers — a Principal Cloud Expert, Implementation Manager, Trainer, and former Microsoft MVP with over 25 years of experience in the Microsoft ecosystem.

Since 2000, I’ve been helping organizations successfully adopt and optimize Microsoft technologies, with a focus on Azure, cloud architecture, performance, and cost management. As a Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT) and experienced consultant, I bridge strategy and execution, guiding both public and private sector teams through complex technical transformations.

I regularly speak at international conferences such as Developer Week, PowerShell + DevOps Global Summit, Global Azure, AzConf Chennai, Azure Fest, DevConf APG, FutureTech, and Dutch Cloud Meetup. I’m passionate about delivering hands-on workshops and tailored in-company trainings, helping teams sharpen their Azure, automation, and application lifecycle skills.

My mission is clear: help people and organizations get the most out of the cloud — with control, clarity, and confidence. Whether coaching colleagues, giving workshops, or advising on cloud-native modernization, I combine deep technical knowledge with a pragmatic, people-focused approach.

When I’m not working, I enjoy life with Sandra — cooking, traveling, and spending time with family and friends. For me, technology is about empowering people, not just systems.

Let’s connect and build something great together.

Hi, I’m Michiel Hamers — a Principal Cloud Expert, Implementation Manager, Trainer, and former Microsoft MVP with over 25 years of experience in the Microsoft ecosystem. Since 2000, I’ve been helping organizations successfully adopt and optimize M... Show more

Josip Stuhli

Josip Stuhli

As the CTO of Sofascore, a leading live score service that provides real-time sports data, Josip is responsible for overseeing the architecture, development, and scaling their web and mobile platforms, as well as leading a team of talented engineers and developers.

Since joining in 2010, he has overseen the architecture, development, and scaling of the company's web and mobile platforms, guiding a talented team of engineers and developers. His journey at Sofascore began as a software engineer, progressing to system architect and ultimately CTO, reflecting a deep understanding of the company's evolution and a significant contribution to its success. Josip’s passion for technology finds its roots in a youthful curiosity for programming languages, ultimately leading to a formal academic background in computer science. With extensive experience and expertise in web technologies and distributed systems, he thrives on tackling complex challenges that demand creative and innovative solutions. His unwavering mission is to deliver exceptional, reliable solutions that not only meet the needs of users and partners but also continuously improve and optimize Sofascore's performance and functionality.

As the CTO of Sofascore, a leading live score service that provides real-time sports data, Josip is responsible for overseeing the architecture, development, and scaling their web and mobile platforms, as well as leading a team of talented engineers ... Show more

Anton Babenko

Anton Babenko

Anton is an AWS Community Hero and helps companies around the globe build solutions using AWS, and specializes in infrastructure-as-code, DevOps, and reusable infrastructure components.

He spends much of his time as an open-source contributor on various Terraform & AWS projects, such as Terraform AWS modules (downloaded more than 2 billion times), Terraform best practices ebook (www.terraform-best-practices.com), doing serverless with Terraform (serverless.tf), Terraform Weekly (weekly.tf), Your Weekly Dose of Terraform (http://bit.ly/terraform-youtube).

Anton co-founded and co-organizes AWS, DevOps, and HashiCorp User Groups in Norway and often speaks at technical meetups and conferences.

Anton is an AWS Community Hero and helps companies around the globe build solutions using AWS, and specializes in infrastructure-as-code, DevOps, and reusable infrastructure components. He spends much of his time as an open-source contributor on v... Show more

Jan Vidar Elven

Jan Vidar Elven

Jan Vidar Elven is a Senior Cloud Platform & Security Architect working at Microsoft Partner Evidi AS in Norway. He is a Microsoft MVP in Security, an active speaker and blogger, and has more than 25 years’ experience inside IT infrastructure management and architecting solutions, working with Cloud & Datacenter, specializing in Azure, Microsoft Entra, Active Directory, Enterprise Mobility, Identity & Access Management, Identity Governance, Service Management, Operations Management and Automation cross On-Premise and Azure environments.

Jan Vidar Elven is a Senior Cloud Platform & Security Architect working at Microsoft Partner Evidi AS in Norway. He is a Microsoft MVP in Security, an active speaker and blogger, and has more than 25 years’ experience inside IT infrastructure managem... Show more

Danica Fine

Danica Fine

Danica began her career as a software engineer in data visualization and warehousing with a business intelligence team where she served as a point-person for standards and best practices in data visualization across her company. In 2018, Danica moved to San Francisco and pivoted to backend engineering with a derivatives data team which was responsible for building and maintaining the infrastructure that processes millions of financial market data per second in near real-time. Her first project on this team involved Kafka Streams and Kafka Connect. From there, she immersed herself in the world of data streaming and found herself quite at home in the Apache Kafka and Apache Flink communities. She now leads the open source advocacy efforts at Snowflake, supporting Apache Iceberg and Apache Polaris (incubating).

Outside of work, Danica is passionate about sustainability, increasing diversity in the technical community, and keeping her many houseplants alive. She can be found on X (Bluesky and Mastodon), talking about tech, plants, and baking @TheDanicaFine.

Danica began her career as a software engineer in data visualization and warehousing with a business intelligence team where she served as a point-person for standards and best practices in data visualization across her company. In 2018, Danica moved... Show more

Shabnam Watson

Shabnam Watson

Shabnam is a business intelligence consultant and owner of ABI Cube, a company that specializes in delivering data solutions using the Microsoft Data Platform. She has over 20 years of experience and is recognized as a Microsoft Data Platform MVP for her technical excellence and community involvement.

She is passionate about helping organizations harness the power of data to drive insights and innovation. She has a deep expertise in Microsoft Analysis Services, Power BI, Azure Synapse Analytics, and Microsoft Fabric. She is also a speaker, blogger, and organizer for SQL Saturday Atlanta - BI version, where she shares her knowledge and best practices with the data community.

Shabnam is a business intelligence consultant and owner of ABI Cube, a company that specializes in delivering data solutions using the Microsoft Data Platform. She has over 20 years of experience and is recognized as a Microsoft Data Platform MVP for... Show more

Elkhan Yusubov

Elkhan Yusubov

Elkhan is a cloud architect, tech trainer, and mentor with experience in Microsoft Azure, AWS, IBM Cloud, and enterprise healthcare systems.
He is an active Microsoft MVP and MCT Regional Lead, a member of the Microsoft Tech Community, and an Azure SME (Architecture, DevOps, Security) - who is leading the cloud and infrastructure group at T-REX Solutions.

He is a community speaker and has volunteered for local and global events; Global Azure, Cloud Lunch and Learn, Azure Back to School, Azure Spring Clean, Festive Tech Calendar, Give Camps, Azure Data Fest, SQL Saturdays, Cyber Back to School, Come cloud with Us, and others.

Over the years, Elkhan proudly contributed to Microsoft Azure, Security, and HL7 FHIR communities to advance data interoperability, secure design, and help communities move forward.

Elkhan is a cloud architect, tech trainer, and mentor with experience in Microsoft Azure, AWS, IBM Cloud, and enterprise healthcare systems. He is an active Microsoft MVP and MCT Regional Lead, a member of the Microsoft Tech Community, and an Azure ... Show more

Edoardo Dusi

Edoardo Dusi

Edoardo is a Developer Relations Engineer. He has a strong software developer and team leader background, working on various projects and platforms. He is passionate about creating and sharing content that educates and inspires other developers, such as tech talks, videos, podcasts, conferences, and more. He enjoys connecting with the developer community and promoting the benefits of open source software.

Edoardo is a Developer Relations Engineer. He has a strong software developer and team leader background, working on various projects and platforms. He is passionate about creating and sharing content that educates and inspires other developers, such... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.