Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Stephanie Bruno

Stephanie Bruno

Stephanie is the co-founder and grand high witch at data-witches.com. She is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP who specializes in turning complex data into clear insights using Fabric and Power BI. Known for her practical, approachable style, she shares her expertise through blogging, GitHub tools, and speaking at conferences. She’s passionate about helping others grow their data skills and believes in the power of community and collaboration.

Stephanie is the co-founder and grand high witch at data-witches.com. She is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP who specializes in turning complex data into clear insights using Fabric and Power BI. Known for her practical, approachable style, she shares ... Show more

Steve Jones

Steve Jones

Steve Jones has been working with databases and computers for over two decades. He has worked with SQL Server since 1991, from v4.2 through SQL Server 2016. He has been a DBA, developer, and manager in a variety of large and small companies across multiple industries. In 2001 Steve founded SQLServerCentral with two partners and has been publishing technical articles and facilitating discussions among SQL Server professionals ever since. He currently is the full time editor of SQLServerCentral, as well as an evangelist for Redgate Software. Steve is a 10 year Microsoft Data Platform MVP and lives on a horse ranch in Colorado.

Steve Jones has been working with databases and computers for over two decades. He has worked with SQL Server since 1991, from v4.2 through SQL Server 2016. He has been a DBA, developer, and manager in a variety of large and small companies across mu... Show more

Dr. Gomathi S

Dr. Gomathi S

Dr. S. Gomathi is a distinguished Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP), Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT) Community Lead, and Microsoft Learn Expert, renowned for her expertise in data analytics, AI-driven solutions, and data visualization. She holds 7+ Microsoft certifications, including Microsoft Certified Data Analyst Associate and Power Platform Solution Architect Expert, in addition to being a Google for Education Certified Trainer.

With over 14 years of experience in academia and industry, Dr. Gomathi has excelled as a trainer, professor, and thought leader, specializing in Business Central, Power BI, Power Apps, Tableau, Data Science, ETL tools, Big Data, and Machine Learning. Her work has empowered professionals and organizations to leverage data insights for innovation and efficiency.

She is an active member of the Computer Society of India and has made significant contributions as a peer reviewer and editor for SCOPUS-indexed and international journals. Her expertise in Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central is reflected in her authorship of two published books, further establishing her authority in the field.

Dr. Gomathi has earned several prestigious awards, including Asia Book of Records and India Book of Records titles, as well as the "Young Scientist" and "Women Scientist" awards. As a holder of seven national and international patents, she continues to inspire the tech and analytics communities, leading the way in the ever-evolving world of innovation.

Dr. S. Gomathi is a distinguished Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP), Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT) Community Lead, and Microsoft Learn Expert, renowned for her expertise in data analytics, AI-driven solutions, and data visualization. She... Show more

Ana Maria Mihalceanu

Ana Maria Mihalceanu

Ana is a Java Champion Alumni, Senior Developer Advocate for the Java Platform Group at Oracle, with an extensive background in Java and cloud development, while contributing to Java community growth and events. Her exposure to varied technical challenges involving Java-based frameworks has endowed her with deep insights into the evolution of the JDK tools, practical use, and advanced features. To learn more about/from her, follow her on Twitter @ammbra1508.

Ana is a Java Champion Alumni, Senior Developer Advocate for the Java Platform Group at Oracle, with an extensive background in Java and cloud development, while contributing to Java community growth and events. Her exposure to varied technical chall... Show more

Christian Cote

Christian Cote

Christian Coté is an IT professional with more than 20 years of experience working in data warehouse and data lakehouse projects. He developed ETL processes using a range of tools on multiple platforms. Christian has been a presenter at a number of conferences and code camps. He currently co-leads the SQL Server PASS chapter in Montreal. He is also Microsoft Data Platform MVP.

Christian Coté is an IT professional with more than 20 years of experience working in data warehouse and data lakehouse projects. He developed ETL processes using a range of tools on multiple platforms. Christian has been a presenter at a number of c... Show more

Michael Plettner

Michael Plettner

With more than 2 decades of customer experience, a long history in Microsoft products, Michael is a Cloud Architect who enjoys sharing his experience with the community and help the community grow.
During the last years, Michael was working with customers in Microsoft Teams topics, Microsoft 365 implementations overall and since 2022 he's also working with his customers in different Microsoft Viva projects.
Since more than seven years Michael has its own company, working with the focus on Microsoft topics, Change-Management and Project-Management. He's also a Microsoft MVP for Microsoft 365 Apps and Services since 2021.

With more than 2 decades of customer experience, a long history in Microsoft products, Michael is a Cloud Architect who enjoys sharing his experience with the community and help the community grow. During the last years, Michael was working with cus... Show more

Martin Thwaites

Martin Thwaites

Martin is a Developer Advocate at Honeycomb, o11y enthusiast, and a delivery-focused Developer from the UK. With over 20 years experience in development in the .NET ecosystem, he’s worked with many companies on scaling up engineering teams and products. The past few years have been spent working on solving complex problems with some of the UK’s big names, including e-commerce retailers and credit lenders.

Martin is a Developer Advocate at Honeycomb, o11y enthusiast, and a delivery-focused Developer from the UK. With over 20 years experience in development in the .NET ecosystem, he’s worked with many companies on scaling up engineering teams and produc... Show more

Ásgeir Gunnarsson

Ásgeir Gunnarsson

Ásgeir brings nearly two decades of experience in designing and implementing scalable data platforms using Microsoft technologies. With deep expertise in data architecture, data engineering, and analytics, he helps organizations turn complex data landscapes into streamlined, high-performing solutions. In addition to hands-on delivery, Ásgeir advises clients on governance, security, and platform strategy.

As a recognized Microsoft Data Platform MVP and active speaker at global data events, he stays ahead of industry trends and brings cutting-edge insights to every project. In addition to speaking at events Ásgeir is a co-organizer of Data Platform Next Step, Power BI Next Step and Power BI Cruise in Denmark.

Ásgeir focuses primarily on the data technologies in the Azure cloud.

Ásgeir is the co-author of Pro Power BI Administration from APRESS and the Power BI MVP book

Ásgeir is passionate about data and loves solving problem with BI.

Ásgeir brings nearly two decades of experience in designing and implementing scalable data platforms using Microsoft technologies. With deep expertise in data architecture, data engineering, and analytics, he helps organizations turn complex data lan... Show more

Marthe Moengen

Marthe Moengen

Like Beyonce but in tech.
Marthe Moengen is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP with a knack for making complex topics like Microsoft Purview and Microsoft Fabric feel clear and practical. Named one of Norway’s Top 50 Women in Tech, she’s passionate about all things data governance and loves helping teams turn messy data into trusted insights.

Like Beyonce but in tech. Marthe Moengen is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP with a knack for making complex topics like Microsoft Purview and Microsoft Fabric feel clear and practical. Named one of Norway’s Top 50 Women in Tech, she’s passionate abou... Show more

Dan Bergh Johnsson

Dan Bergh Johnsson

Dan Bergh Johnsson works at the intersection of software architecture, security, and large-scale system design. He has decades of experience designing and reviewing complex systems where security, stability, and delivery speed are in constant tension.
Dan is co-author of Secure by Design (Manning) and a frequent international conference speaker. His talks focus on how architectural and design choices — increasingly involving AI — shape long-term security, system behavior, and organizational responsibility. He is particularly interested in what gets lost when productivity increases faster than system understanding.

Dan Bergh Johnsson works at the intersection of software architecture, security, and large-scale system design. He has decades of experience designing and reviewing complex systems where security, stability, and delivery speed are in constant tensio... Show more

Amy Kapernick

Amy Kapernick

Amy is a business owner,  senior developer, mentor and international conference speaker. She has a passion for sharing knowledge with the community with a focus on nurturing the next generation of developers. This has led to her organising and volunteering at events, running technical workshops, and writing and producing her own video content. She also regularly presents and keynotes at events all over the world, informing and entertaining audiences from a variety of industries and backgrounds.

A familiar face in the developer community Amy volunteers her time with several groups, including DDD Perth as Vice Chair and Director of Conference Content, Perth Azure User Group as one of the organising team and She Codes as a regular mentor. These contributions are not unnoticed, as she’s been recognised as a Microsoft MVP and a Twilio Champion since 2019 for her contributions to the tech community and ongoing commitment to helping those around her.

Amy is a business owner,  senior developer, mentor and international conference speaker. She has a passion for sharing knowledge with the community with a focus on nurturing the next generation of developers. This has led to her organising and volunt... Show more

Gianluca Sartori

Gianluca Sartori

Gianluca Sartori is a Data Platform MVP, independent consultant and performance tuning specialist. He has been working in the software industry since 1999 and has been working with SQL Server ever since. He also works as a SQL Server trainer and in his spare time he writes technical articles and participates the SQL Server forums. Gianluca enjoys presenting SQL Server topics at conferences in Europe and US. He is currently working as lead DBA at a famous Formula 1 team.

Gianluca Sartori is a Data Platform MVP, independent consultant and performance tuning specialist. He has been working in the software industry since 1999 and has been working with SQL Server ever since. He also works as a SQL Server trainer and in h... Show more

Antonio Liccardi

Antonio Liccardi

Antonio Liccardi is a seasoned speaker, book author, and trainer, currently serving as Chief Technology Officer at Blexin. His passion for knowledge sharing led him to co-found "DotNetCampania," an Italian .NET community where he helps others enhance their skills in DevOps, the .NET ecosystem, and software development in general. Antonio is a frequent speaker at both national and international conferences, including Microsoft Build, and has been recognized as a Microsoft MVP for Visual Studio Developer Technologies since 2015. He also hosts a live show called "DevOps Time" for UgiDotNet, Italy’s largest .NET community, and runs the podcast "Il corriere del DevOps."

Antonio Liccardi is a seasoned speaker, book author, and trainer, currently serving as Chief Technology Officer at Blexin. His passion for knowledge sharing led him to co-found "DotNetCampania," an Italian .NET community where he helps others enhance... Show more

Lucrecia Krause  MVP

Lucrecia Krause MVP

Strategic, delivery-focused technical project program leader with years of experience directing complex, enterprise-scale programs across cross-functional technical teams, transformations, innovations, data and AI readiness.

Lucrecia Krause, has worked for HPE UCF VISA holds a growth trajectory from programmer, business analyst, technical project program manager, mgr at PMOs to technical strategy consulting, change manager leader and Sr. Solutions architect.

Lucrecia is speaker /mentor SQLbits, DataPass, Grace Hopper Celebration, SQL Saturdays, PBI Summit, Datatobogan, Dataweekender W4TT, TBC Connect, Microsoft Connect, FL Tech and Microsoft Reactor series Lucrecia is Microsoft MVP in Data Platform Business Intelligence Power BI and Fabric, serves as volunteer co-leader to different user groups Power BI Women, Florida Tech, Data & AI, Orlando Power BI, LIT.
Lucrecia has studies in CS and database mgt, MBA, Master Big Data & BI, is PMP and LSSBB.

Strategic, delivery-focused technical project program leader with years of experience directing complex, enterprise-scale programs across cross-functional technical teams, transformations, innovations, data and AI readiness. Lucrecia Krause, has w... Show more

Mirco Vanini

Mirco Vanini

Consultant focused on industrial and embedded solutions using .NET and other native SDKs with over 35 years of experience, XeDotNet community co-founder, speaker and Microsoft MVP since 2012. Passionate and curious about everything that revolves around the IoT world.

Consultant focused on industrial and embedded solutions using .NET and other native SDKs with over 35 years of experience, XeDotNet community co-founder, speaker and Microsoft MVP since 2012. Passionate and curious about everything that revolves arou... Show more

Martin Förtsch

Martin Förtsch

Martin Förtsch is an IT-consultant of TNG Technology Consulting GmbH based in Unterföhring near Munich who studied computer sciences. Work wise his focus areas are Agile Development (mainly) in Java, Search Engine Technologies, Information Retrieval and Databases.

As an Intel Software Innovator and Intel Black Belt Software Developer he is strongly involved in the development of open-source software for gesture control with 3D-cameras like e.g. Intel RealSense and has built an Augmented Reality wearable prototype device with his team based on this technology.

Furthermore, he gives many talks at national and international conferences about Artificial Intelligence, Internet of Things, 3D-camera technologies, Augmented Reality and Test Driven Development as well. He was awarded with the Oracle JavaOne Rockstar.

Martin Förtsch is an IT-consultant of TNG Technology Consulting GmbH based in Unterföhring near Munich who studied computer sciences. Work wise his focus areas are Agile Development (mainly) in Java, Search Engine Technologies, Information Retrieval ... Show more

Julian Burr

Julian Burr

Senior Developer from Germany with over 15 years of experience building web apps and leading frontend teams, currently living and working down under in Australia. Pragmatic perfectionist, always looking for opportunities to learn and grow.

Senior Developer from Germany with over 15 years of experience building web apps and leading frontend teams, currently living and working down under in Australia. Pragmatic perfectionist, always looking for opportunities to learn and grow. Show more

Ana Maria Bisbe York

Ana Maria Bisbe York

Ana María is a data professional with over 35 years of experience in the software industry and extensive experience, both in training and in projects, in data modeling and analysis with Microsoft technology like SQL, Power BI, and Fabric for advanced analytics.
She shares knowledge and experiences and promotes the visibility of female talent in technology.
You can find her in forums and international events and congresses in Spain, many European countries, LATAM, and the United States, as a speaker, organizer, or attendee, and also online on her Twitter account (ambynet), on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ambynet/) or her technical blog at AMBY.NET (https://amby.net/) which he has maintained for almost 20 years. She is a Power Platform Madrid community co-leader and leads projects and initiatives in Power Platform Spain.

Ana María is a data professional with over 35 years of experience in the software industry and extensive experience, both in training and in projects, in data modeling and analysis with Microsoft technology like SQL, Power BI, and Fabric for advanced... Show more

Rajaniesh Kaushikk

Rajaniesh Kaushikk

Meet Rajaniesh Kaushikk – a Microsoft MVP and TOGAF Certified Enterprise Architect with over 22 years of experience in delivering complex software architectures for Fortune 500 companies. Rajaniesh specializes in data integration, governance, and analysis, with a proven track record in defining technical architectures, designing analytic solutions, and developing agile frameworks. His expertise spans Hybrid Cloud, Azure Cloud, Power BI, Kubernetes, Databricks Lakehouse, Snowflake, and more, making him a trusted partner in solving intricate business challenges and driving market growth.

As a hands-on technical architect, Microsoft Certified Solution Architect, and Databricks Champion, Rajaniesh excels in translating complex concepts into actionable strategies, whether through pre-sales technical presentations or public speaking at Microsoft events. A Microsoft Certified Trainer, he is committed to sharing his knowledge and staying at the forefront of technological advancements, ensuring scalable and innovative solutions for modern software architecture needs.

Meet Rajaniesh Kaushikk – a Microsoft MVP and TOGAF Certified Enterprise Architect with over 22 years of experience in delivering complex software architectures for Fortune 500 companies. Rajaniesh specializes in data integration, governance, and ana... Show more

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers is a senior consultant in the area of Microsoft 365 and helps companies increase productivity in their everyday work. He likes to focus on the most important component in the process: people. Since the pandemic, Ferdi has been an avid jogger and regularly goes to soccer. Besides sports, his family is the most important thing to him. Ferdi is an expert on the topic of Microsoft 365 and is available for questions as well as consultations. Inquiries via mail to ferdi.lethen@outlook.de.

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers is a senior consultant in the area of Microsoft 365 and helps companies increase productivity in their everyday work. He likes to focus on the most important component in the process: people. Since the pandemic, Ferdi has been an... Show more

Seema Saharan

Seema Saharan

Meet Seema, the tech whiz at Autodesk. She's not just about fixing things – she loves sharing what she knows! Whether speaking at cool events like GitLab Commit, and GitHub Universe or breaking down tech on her YouTube channel, Seema makes the complicated stuff easy and fun. Join her on a tech adventure where learning and sharing go hand in hand! 🚀

Meet Seema, the tech whiz at Autodesk. She's not just about fixing things – she loves sharing what she knows! Whether speaking at cool events like GitLab Commit, and GitHub Universe or breaking down tech on her YouTube channel, Seema makes the compli... Show more

Vignesh Ganesan

Vignesh Ganesan

Vignesh Ganesan is a Microsoft MVP and an Enterprise Architect & Technology Strategist with 15 years of experience. He specializes in technical presales, product marketing, Go-to-Market strategy, leadership, consulting, advisory, solution design and designing and implementing SaaS, IaaS and PaaS environments including on-premises and hybrid infrastructures. In addition to that he also has a sound knowledge in designing and implementing security solutions for customers using native cloud controls along with 3rd party tools to build a secure Cloud environment. During his recent stint with Pitney Bowes, Microsoft and Deloitte, he designed technical solutions that can meet his customer’s needs and helped in driving their Digital Transformation so that they can get the best out of their Microsoft 365 & Azure implementation. He has worked on many products/technologies so far such as Active Directory, Windows Server , SharePoint & Exchange Server , Microsoft 365 , Azure AD ,Azure IaaS & PaaS , Slack , Google Workspace Enterprise Mobility & Security etc. .He has spoken on plethora of user groups , conferences & events across the globe and you can find all his work on his blog site i.e. Vignesh’s SharePoint Thoughts and his YouTube Channel . Over the years he has written almost 400 technical articles and has involved himself in many technical community related engagements for which he was awarded the prestigious Microsoft MVP Award and the C Sharp corner MVP Award . He always has a thirst to constantly learn something new which is what made him to complete almost 20+ Microsoft certifications.

My Microsoft MVP Profile : https://mvp.microsoft.com/en-us/PublicProfile/5004713

My Blogsite : https://vigneshsharepointthoughts.com/

My YouTube Channel : https://www.youtube.com/c/VigneshGanesan

My Microsoft Transcript : https://www.credly.com/users/vignesh-ganesan/badges

Vignesh Ganesan is a Microsoft MVP and an Enterprise Architect & Technology Strategist with 15 years of experience. He specializes in technical presales, product marketing, Go-to-Market strategy, leadership, consulting, advisory, solution design and... Show more

Hugo Guerrero

Hugo Guerrero

Hugo Guerrero specializes in building the backbone of the AI era. As a technology leader, he focuses on AI-ready infrastructure, modern API strategy, and scalable event-driven systems. A frequent speaker and advocate for developer ecosystems, Hugo is passionate about turning complex architectural concepts into real-world results. He works at the intersection of connectivity and intelligence, ensuring that today’s infrastructure is ready for tomorrow’s agentic workflows.

Hugo Guerrero specializes in building the backbone of the AI era. As a technology leader, he focuses on AI-ready infrastructure, modern API strategy, and scalable event-driven systems. A frequent speaker and advocate for developer ecosystems, Hugo is... Show more

Davide Mauri

Davide Mauri

Davide Mauri is Program Manager in the Azure SQL Database product group. He has been working in the IT field since 1997 and was awarded Data Platform MVP status for 12 consecutive years. He started his career as a full-stack and back-end developer, then focused on databases and data science for 15 years while still keeping alive his passion for development (mainly in C# and Python). He then moved to the Internet of Things (IoT) and big data space where ingesting, processing, and analyzing millions of data points in near real time was his everyday challenge. Building from that experience, he joined Microsoft to help companies worldwide to leverage stream processing at scale. He now works for Azure SQL Database as the developer's voice inside the product group, working to make sure that Azure SQL Database is, and will be, the best database option for developers.

Davide Mauri is Program Manager in the Azure SQL Database product group. He has been working in the IT field since 1997 and was awarded Data Platform MVP status for 12 consecutive years. He started his career as a full-stack and back-end developer, t... Show more

Sai Prudhvi Neelakantam

Sai Prudhvi Neelakantam

Looking to leverage the power of your business data?

Join Sai Prudhvi Neelakantam, a triple Microsoft and Databricks-certified data professional at Evidi, for practical sessions on Microsoft Fabric, Power BI, Azure, Databricks, and Azure AI. He'll share applied strategies for building data pipelines and lakehouses, developing and deploying AI/ML models, and creating compelling data stories in Power BI.

Get ready to take your data skills to the next level!

Looking to leverage the power of your business data? Join Sai Prudhvi Neelakantam, a triple Microsoft and Databricks-certified data professional at Evidi, for practical sessions on Microsoft Fabric, Power BI, Azure, Databricks, and Azure AI. He'l... Show more

Andrea Martorana Tusa

Andrea Martorana Tusa

Business Consultant BI & Power Platform for Würth IT, the tech company of the Würth group.

25+ years of experience in the data platform area.

Previously worked for Pandora, as Product Manager and Power BI / Fabric administrator.

Former Microsoft MVP Data Platform 2018-2024.

Usual speaker in events and conferences around Europe.

Business Consultant BI & Power Platform for Würth IT, the tech company of the Würth group. 25+ years of experience in the data platform area. Previously worked for Pandora, as Product Manager and Power BI / Fabric administrator. Former Mic... Show more

Andy Leonard

Andy Leonard

Andy Leonard is a husband, dad, and grandfather; creator of – and Data Philosopher at – DILM (Data Integration Lifecycle Management) Suite; a blogger, founder and Chief Data Engineer at Enterprise Data & Analytics; an SSIS and Azure Data Factory trainer, consultant, and developer; a SQL Server database and data warehouse developer; an author, mentor, engineer, and farmer.

Andy Leonard is a husband, dad, and grandfather; creator of – and Data Philosopher at – DILM (Data Integration Lifecycle Management) Suite; a blogger, founder and Chief Data Engineer at Enterprise Data & Analytics; an SSIS and Azure Data Factory trai... Show more

Cláudio Silva

Cláudio Silva

I work as a Data Platform Architect.
I love performance tuning and I'm also a PowerShell lover who automates any process that needs to be done more than a couple of times.

I'm a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and an active SQL Server and PowerShell community member. Also, I'm a contributor to open-source projects such as dbatools (https://dbatools.io) and dbachecks (https://dbachecks.io).

I blog at https://claudioessilva.eu .

I work as a Data Platform Architect. I love performance tuning and I'm also a PowerShell lover who automates any process that needs to be done more than a couple of times. I'm a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and an active SQL Server and PowerShel... Show more

Mark Pryce-Maher

Mark Pryce-Maher

Mark Pryce-Maher is a Senior Program Manager on Microsoft Fabric. Primary focusing on the Mirroring, User Experiences and Migrations for the Data Warehouse. Mark has spent the last 7 years at Microsoft in the Big Data space, including helping many customers migrate from Netezza, Teradata, Oracle, APS, SQL Server to Synapse Data Warehouse.

Mark Pryce-Maher is a Senior Program Manager on Microsoft Fabric. Primary focusing on the Mirroring, User Experiences and Migrations for the Data Warehouse. Mark has spent the last 7 years at Microsoft in the Big Data space, including helping many... Show more

Bob Walker

Bob Walker

Bob Walker is a Field CTO Octopus Deploy. Bob started as a developer in the early days of .NET when web forms were the hottest new thing, and manual deployments were the norm. After one too many five-hour 2 AM Saturday deployments, he searched for any automation to stop that pain. His original focus was on automating database deployments. Since then, his passion has expanded from writing code to creating full CI/CD pipelines and implementing DevOps practices.

Bob Walker is a Field CTO Octopus Deploy. Bob started as a developer in the early days of .NET when web forms were the hottest new thing, and manual deployments were the norm. After one too many five-hour 2 AM Saturday deployments, he searched for ... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.