Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Engin Diri

Engin Diri

As a Senior Solutions Architect at Pulumi with over 15 years of experience in the IT industry, including roles at the Schwarz Group and W&W Versicherungen, I bring extensive expertise with an end-user and enterprise focus. Currently working for a startup while collaborating with enterprise clients has further enriched my experience!

I began my career as a Java backend developer, transitioned to frontend development, and ultimately specialized in CI/CD and DevOps. Working with ANT and Cruise Control to switch to Jenkins and Microsoft Team Foundation Server added some traumas on top! But as they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

I have now embraced the dynamic world of DevOps and Platform Engineering, leveraging cloud technologies and Kubernetes.

Recently, I have been exploring AI to find ways to make myself redundant in the future.

As a Senior Solutions Architect at Pulumi with over 15 years of experience in the IT industry, including roles at the Schwarz Group and W&W Versicherungen, I bring extensive expertise with an end-user and enterprise focus. Currently working for a sta... Show more

Alexander Arvidsson

Alexander Arvidsson

Alexander is the chief technology officer at Analytics Masterminds and spends his days helping clients of all shapes and sizes to take better care of and make more sense of their data.
He has spent the last 25 years poking around with data, databases and related infrastructure services such as storage, networking and virtualization, occasionally emerging from the technical darkness to attend a Star Wars convention somewhere in the world.
He is a Data Platform MVP, frequent international speaker, podcaster, Pluralsight author, blogger and a Microsoft Certified Trainer, focusing on the Microsoft data platform stack.

Alexander is the chief technology officer at Analytics Masterminds and spends his days helping clients of all shapes and sizes to take better care of and make more sense of their data. He has spent the last 25 years poking around with data, databas... Show more

Michael Durkan

Michael Durkan

Michael is a Microsoft Azure MVP with over 20 years experience in both On-premises , Hybrid and Cloud environments with a particular focus on giving customers trusted advice in their Cloud Migration strategy.

Michael has spoken at both user groups and in-person conferences covering topics across the entire Azure platform from Azure Core Compute to Azure PaaS services. He has published LinkedIn Learning courses on the AZ-801 exam objectives, and regularly blogs at michaeldurkan.com. He contributes regularly to the Microsoft Q&A platform as an Azure Community Champion.

He works for Avanade Ireland as their Azure Practice Lead.

Michael is a Microsoft Azure MVP with over 20 years experience in both On-premises , Hybrid and Cloud environments with a particular focus on giving customers trusted advice in their Cloud Migration strategy. Michael has spoken at both user grou... Show more

Rowdy Rabouw

Rowdy Rabouw

Rowdy Rabouw is a Google Developer Expert in Web Technologies with over 25 years of experience in HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Currently, he works as a Front-End-Focused Senior DevOps Engineer on Vue, Node and NestJS projects, paying special attention to usability and accessibility. Rowdy loves his electronic drum kit and dabbles in creating music on his laptop.

Rowdy Rabouw is a Google Developer Expert in Web Technologies with over 25 years of experience in HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Currently, he works as a Front-End-Focused Senior DevOps Engineer on Vue, Node and NestJS projects, paying special attention t... Show more

Ram Mohan Rao Chukka

Ram Mohan Rao Chukka

Ram is a Senior Software Engineer at JFrog R&D . Previously worked for startup companies like CallidusCloud (SAP Company), Konylabs. Loves Automation, Linux, openSource

Ram is a Senior Software Engineer at JFrog R&D . Previously worked for startup companies like CallidusCloud (SAP Company), Konylabs. Loves Automation, Linux, openSource Show more

Mary Grygleski

Mary Grygleski

Mary is a Java Champion, and the Director of Emerging Technologies at Callibrity, a consulting firm based in Cincinnati, Ohio. She started as an engineer in Unix/C, then transitioned to Java around 2000 and has never looked back since then. After 20+ years of being a software engineer and technical architect, she discovered her true passion in developer and customer advocacy. Most recently she has serviced companies of various sizes such as IBM, US Cellular, Bank of America, Chicago Mercantile Exchange, in topic areas that included Java, GenAI, Streaming systems, Open source, Cloud and Distributed messaging systems. She is also a very active tech community leader outside of her day job. She is the President of the Chicago Java Users Group (CJUG), and the Chicago Chapter Co-Lead for AICamp.

Mary is a Java Champion, and the Director of Emerging Technologies at Callibrity, a consulting firm based in Cincinnati, Ohio. She started as an engineer in Unix/C, then transitioned to Java around 2000 and has never looked back since then. After 2... Show more

Greg Strzyminski

Greg Strzyminski

Greg is a Business Intelligence Team Lead at Kearney Warsaw. He serves as a Power BI technical Lead for Kearney.

He has proved his lecturing and teaching skills by running Power BI community events as well as internal trainings at Kearney at all levels, ranging in audience size from 5 to 250. Greg has been leading a number of Power BI workshops aimed at experienced professionals, students as well people willing to explore the art of possible in Business Intelligence. He has experience at conveying his knowledge at various levels, ranging from beginner to expert.

Greg holds a number of Microsoft Certifications including those in Fabric: DP-600 and Power BI: PL-300, DA-100 and 70-778.

Greg is a Business Intelligence Team Lead at Kearney Warsaw. He serves as a Power BI technical Lead for Kearney. He has proved his lecturing and teaching skills by running Power BI community events as well as internal trainings at Kearney at all l... Show more

Eric D. Schabell

Eric D. Schabell

Eric is Chronosphere's Director Community & Developer. He's renowned in the development community as a speaker, lecturer, author, baseball expert, and CNCF Ambassador. His current role allows him to help the world understand the challenges they are facing with observability. He brings a unique perspective to the stage with a professional life dedicated to sharing his deep expertise of open source technologies and organizations. More on https://speakerhub.com/speaker/eric-d-schabell.

Eric is Chronosphere's Director Community & Developer. He's renowned in the development community as a speaker, lecturer, author, baseball expert, and CNCF Ambassador. His current role allows him to help the world understand the challenges they are f... Show more

Hafedh Messaoudi

Hafedh Messaoudi

Hafedh is a professional coach, agile coach, and trainer with over 12 years of experience in guiding individuals and organizations toward resilience, adaptability, and improved performance. With a strong foundation in neuroscience, agility, and human sciences, Hafedh integrates these disciplines to offer a comprehensive approach to personal and organizational development. His work focuses on helping teams and leaders navigate change and foster growth in dynamic environments. Throughout his career, Hafedh has been committed to empowering his clients with practical, science-based strategies for achieving long-term success.

Hafedh is a professional coach, agile coach, and trainer with over 12 years of experience in guiding individuals and organizations toward resilience, adaptability, and improved performance. With a strong foundation in neuroscience, agility, and human... Show more

Emiliano Montesdeoca

Emiliano Montesdeoca

Emiliano is an Uruguayan-Spanish software developer, Microsoft MVP in Developer Technologies, and passionate community advocate based in Tenerife, Canary Islands. With a career spanning several years, he thrives on solving complex technical challenges and has cultivated a deep expertise in architecting scalable cloud solutions using Microsoft technologies.

Currently serving as Team Lead for the Cloud Solutions Team at Intelequia Technologies, Emiliano combines technical leadership with hands-on innovation, guiding his team in designing and delivering robust cloud applications. His work bridges strategic vision with execution, ensuring solutions meet both business and technical demands.

A dedicated sharer of knowledge, Emiliano frequently speaks at international conferences and writes on his blog, translating everyday problem-solving into actionable insights for the developer community. He views this as a way to give back to the ecosystem that has shaped his growth, mentoring others with the same generosity he once received.

Emiliano is an Uruguayan-Spanish software developer, Microsoft MVP in Developer Technologies, and passionate community advocate based in Tenerife, Canary Islands. With a career spanning several years, he thrives on solving complex technical challenge... Show more

Daniel Raniz Raneland

Daniel Raniz Raneland

Raniz is a programmer, architect, speaker and coach at factor10. He is a problem solver who keeps track of the bigger picture. He is prestigeless, likes to get into new domains, and loves sharing knowledge and ideas. Raniz has worked with system- and software architecture at several companies since 2010 and has been with factor10 since 2021. When not working he's into beer brewing, sourdough bread, 3D printing and triathlons.

Raniz is a programmer, architect, speaker and coach at factor10. He is a problem solver who keeps track of the bigger picture. He is prestigeless, likes to get into new domains, and loves sharing knowledge and ideas. Raniz has worked with system- and... Show more

Máté Tóth

Máté Tóth

Máté is passionate about technology and how it can enhance the way people work and collaborate. He began his Power Platform career years ago as a citizen developer. He leads the Hungary Power Platform User Group and shares his expertise at conferences, focusing on Power Platform, user experience, and mentoring.

Beyond technology, Máté advocates for the role of soft skills in tech - fostering collaborative groups, mentoring, and helping professionals identify and leverage their transferable skills. He believes that success in digital transformation is not just about tools but also about people and communication.

As a freelancer, he prioritizes work-life integration, balancing professional projects with his hobbies, such as traveling, hiking, and public speaking. He’s also a Microsoft MVP, Microsoft Certified Trainer and volunteer photographer, continuously blending his love for technology with creativity and cultural experiences.

Máté is passionate about technology and how it can enhance the way people work and collaborate. He began his Power Platform career years ago as a citizen developer. He leads the Hungary Power Platform User Group and shares his expertise at conference... Show more

Anton Babenko

Anton Babenko

Anton is AWS Community Hero and helps companies around the globe build solutions using AWS and specializes in infrastructure-as-code, DevOps, and reusable infrastructure components.

He spends much of his time as an open-source contributor on various Terraform & AWS projects, such as Terraform AWS modules (downloaded more than 1 billion times), Terraform best practices ebook (www.terraform-best-practices.com), doing serverless with Terraform (serverless.tf), Terraform Weekly (weekly.tf), Your Weekly Dose of Terraform (http://bit.ly/terraform-youtube).

Anton co-founded and co-organizes AWS, DevOps, and HashiCorp User Groups in Norway and often speaks at technical meetups and conferences.

Anton is AWS Community Hero and helps companies around the globe build solutions using AWS and specializes in infrastructure-as-code, DevOps, and reusable infrastructure components. He spends much of his time as an open-source contributor on vario... Show more

Nicolas Fränkel

Nicolas Fränkel

Nicolas Fränkel is a technologist focusing on cloud-native technologies, DevOps, CI/CD pipelines, and system observability. His focus revolves around creating technical content, delivering talks, and engaging with developer communities to promote the adoption of modern software practices. With a strong background in software, he has worked extensively with the JVM, applying his expertise across various industries. In addition to his technical work, he is the author of several books and regularly shares insights through his blog and open-source contributions.

Nicolas Fränkel is a technologist focusing on cloud-native technologies, DevOps, CI/CD pipelines, and system observability. His focus revolves around creating technical content, delivering talks, and engaging with developer communities to promote the... Show more

Gabriel L. Manor

Gabriel L. Manor

Gabriel is an engineering executive with extensive experience in security and developer platforms. Over the years, I have worked as a technical leader and principal engineer at large corporations such as Cisco and Palo Alto Networks and a few startups.
For the last couple of years, Gabriel has mainly focused on fine-grained authorization. As the VP of developer relations at Permit.io, he advocates for and creates content around security and permissions, guiding engineers in this journey.
In my spare time, I'm an avid writer, kitchen enthusiast, and adventurous traveler.

Gabriel is an engineering executive with extensive experience in security and developer platforms. Over the years, I have worked as a technical leader and principal engineer at large corporations such as Cisco and Palo Alto Networks and a few startup... Show more

Christoph Twiehaus

Christoph Twiehaus

Christoph's professional journey has been shaped by his experiences at a German insurance group, a mid-sized IT consulting firm specializing in Microsoft technologies, and Microsoft itself. His passion lies in digital transformation and its impact on individuals and businesses. For Christoph, the human aspect and their needs within the digital transformation space take precedence, along with the ever-evolving technological challenges.

He also enjoys challenging the status quo occasionally. There isn't a one-size-fits-all solution for every customer. Daily reevaluation is essential to achieve the best outcomes, recognizing that each customer and project is unique and cannot be replicated exactly.

Christoph's professional journey has been shaped by his experiences at a German insurance group, a mid-sized IT consulting firm specializing in Microsoft technologies, and Microsoft itself. His passion lies in digital transformation and its impact on... Show more

Paweł Zajączkowski

Paweł Zajączkowski

Paweł has been working in Wrocław IT since 2009. He was digging through the code in a Finnish telecom, German logistics, a Swiss bank, a car factory, a travel startup, British compliance, and villa rental. Currently, he has gone to the dark side and takes care of a flock of programmers and team leaders, a mentoring program, a guild and is sticking his nose wherever else he can.

Personally, he likes to read, play board games, analog and computer RPGs. He practices powerlifting and collects vintage Lego Technic. Writes about software, peopleware and dragons on HowToTrainYourJava.com.

Paweł has been working in Wrocław IT since 2009. He was digging through the code in a Finnish telecom, German logistics, a Swiss bank, a car factory, a travel startup, British compliance, and villa rental. Currently, he has gone to the dark side and ... Show more

Jeremy Meiss

Jeremy Meiss

Jeremy is an international speaker and is currently the Director of DevRel at OneStream Software, previously at CircleCI, Solace, Auth0, and XDA. With almost 30 years in Tech, covering just about every functional area, including support, system and database administration, application and web development, project management, program management, and systems analysis, Jeremy is active in the DevRel and DevOps communities, a co-creator of DevOpsPartyGames.com, and organizer for DevOpsDays Kansas City. A lover of all things coffee, community, open source, and tech, he’s also house-broken, and (generally) plays well with others.

Jeremy is an international speaker and is currently the Director of DevRel at OneStream Software, previously at CircleCI, Solace, Auth0, and XDA. With almost 30 years in Tech, covering just about every functional area, including support, system and d... Show more

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers is a senior consultant in the area of Microsoft 365 and helps companies increase productivity in their everyday work. He likes to focus on the most important component in the process: people. Since the pandemic, Ferdi has been an avid jogger and regularly goes to soccer. Besides sports, his family is the most important thing to him. Ferdi is an expert on the topic of Microsoft 365 and is available for questions as well as consultations. Inquiries via mail to ferdi.lethen@outlook.de.

Ferdi Lethen-Oellers is a senior consultant in the area of Microsoft 365 and helps companies increase productivity in their everyday work. He likes to focus on the most important component in the process: people. Since the pandemic, Ferdi has been an... Show more

Matt Topol

Matt Topol

Hailing from the faraway land of Brentwood, NY and currently residing in the rolling hills of Connecticut, Matt Topol has always been passionate about software. After graduating from Brooklyn Polytechnic (now NYU-Poly), he joined FactSet Research Systems, Inc. in 2009 developing financial software. In the time since, Matt has worked in infrastructure and application development, has lead development teams, and architected large-scale distributed systems for processing analytics on financial data. Matt is a PMC member for the Apache Arrow project, frequently enhancing the Golang library among other enhancements and helping to grow the Arrow Community. Recently, Matt wrote the first and only book on Apache Arrow "In-Memory Analytics with Apache Arrow" and joined Voltron Data in order to work on the Apache Arrow libraries full time and grow the Arrow Golang community.

In his spare time, Matt likes to bash his head against a keyboard, develop/run delightfully demented games of fantasy for his victims--er--friends, and share his knowledge with anyone interested who'll listen to his rants.

Hailing from the faraway land of Brentwood, NY and currently residing in the rolling hills of Connecticut, Matt Topol has always been passionate about software. After graduating from Brooklyn Polytechnic (now NYU-Poly), he joined FactSet Research Sys... Show more

Doug Leal

Doug Leal

Enterprise Architect with 25+ years of experience delivering data-centric solutions, including big data, cloud, analytics, and data engineering strategies in both enterprise and consulting capacities. Proven expertise in Azure Cloud, Databricks, MLFlow, and Spark, driving scalable and efficient data solutions. A trusted advisor in enterprise data architecture for both existing and new platforms; Databricks Champion for CGI. Passionate about machine learning and leveraging advanced analytics to drive business value.

Enterprise Architect with 25+ years of experience delivering data-centric solutions, including big data, cloud, analytics, and data engineering strategies in both enterprise and consulting capacities. Proven expertise in Azure Cloud, Databricks, MLFl... Show more

Javier Armesto

Javier Armesto

I am Javier Armesto Gonzalez, a technology leader with over 20 years of experience in the IT sector. Currently, I work as the BizzApps Tech Lead at myCloudDoor, where I lead business applications projects and advise on digital transformation for companies.

With a passion for technology and innovation, I have been honored by Microsoft with the MVP (Most Valuable Professional) award in the "Business Applications" category for the past two years, recognizing my valuable contributions to technical communities.

Additionally, I am a certified Microsoft trainer, dedicated to delivering advanced knowledge and training on Microsoft technologies. In recent months, I have been actively collaborating with Microsoft Reactor on YouTube, sharing my expertise on Azure's artificial intelligence services.

I also share my knowledge and experience through my personal blog, TechSphere Dynamics, where I publish articles and resources on the latest trends and technologies in business applications and artificial intelligence.

For more information or to contact me, feel free to email me at javiarmesto@gmail.com.

Blog : https://techspheredynamics.com/
YouTube channel : https://youtube.com/@techspheredynamics9753?si=AbZ6nSljq3SAxst8
MVP Profile : https://mvp.microsoft.com/en-US/MVP/profile/29ac6398-c755-ed11-9561-000d3a197333

I am Javier Armesto Gonzalez, a technology leader with over 20 years of experience in the IT sector. Currently, I work as the BizzApps Tech Lead at myCloudDoor, where I lead business applications projects and advise on digital transformation for comp... Show more

Nico Fernandez

Nico Fernandez

I'm a Microsoft MVP in Business Applications, Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), and solution architect with a specialization in Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement and Power Platform. As Head of Presales for Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement and Power Platform, I lead a team that helps clients achieve their goals by leveraging the power of Microsoft's business application platform.

With over 14 years of experience as a functional analyst, I've worked on numerous internal projects and consulting assignments, focusing on customer experience. For the past decade, I've devoted myself exclusively to Microsoft's business application platform, becoming a recognized expert in the field.

In recent years, I've taken on leadership roles, serving as part of the steering committee of a local Spanish partner, where I worked on strategy and development of the alliance with Microsoft, business development, and team development. Currently, I'm part of the EMEA sales leadership team of one of the top 5 global partners, where I'm responsible for the pre-sales team.

I'm passionate about helping organizations leverage technology to improve their operations and achieve their goals

I'm a Microsoft MVP in Business Applications, Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), and solution architect with a specialization in Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement and Power Platform. As Head of Presales for Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement and Power P... Show more

Roberto Corella

Roberto Corella

Since 1998 working with Navision, Dynamics NAV, and now with Business Central and Power Platform. I worked as an end-user, consultant, and developer in different companies and partners.

Dual Microsoft MVP in the Business Applications (Business Central) and Azure AI Services

International Speaker at Directions EMEA, Directions ASIA, Days of Knowledge (Nordic, Central, and Atlanta) and DynamicsMinds.

Organizing committee member "Business Central Day ES" (www.businescentralday.es) and Global Power Platform Bootcamp Zaragoza (https://www.meetup.com/power-platform-zaragoza/)

As an MCT I teach Microsoft courses about Business Central, Power BI, Power Apps, and Power Automate.

I have a blog where I write about these Microsoft technologies: https://blog.msdyn365bc.es.

Also, you can see me telling things about Business Central and Power Platform at different community events and on my YouTube Channel:
Aprende Business Central en Español (https://www.youtube.com/@rcorella)

If you want to know more about me, here you have my LinkedIn profile:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertocorella/

Since 1998 working with Navision, Dynamics NAV, and now with Business Central and Power Platform. I worked as an end-user, consultant, and developer in different companies and partners. Dual Microsoft MVP in the Business Applications (Business Ce... Show more

Alan Smith

Alan Smith

Alan Smith is a Cloud & AI Trainer, Mentor & Coach at Active Solution in Stockholm, Sweden. He has a strong hands-on philosophy and focusses on embracing the power and flexibility of cloud computing to deliver engaging and exciting demos and training courses.

Alan has held the MVP title since 2005, and is currently an AI MVP. He is in the organization team for the CloudBurst and AI Burst Conferences.

Alan Smith is a Cloud & AI Trainer, Mentor & Coach at Active Solution in Stockholm, Sweden. He has a strong hands-on philosophy and focusses on embracing the power and flexibility of cloud computing to deliver engaging and exciting demos and training... Show more

Jannik Reinhard

Jannik Reinhard

My name is Jannik Reinhard and I'm 26 years old and I am work in the internal IT department of the largest chemical company in the world. I am a senior solution architect in the area of modern device management and technical lead of AIOPS (AI of IT Operation).

I am proud to be a dual Microsoft MVP in the area Security-Intune and AI Platform-Azure AI Services

I have spoken at events such as:
* MMS
* MMUGSE
* Modern Endpoint Management Summit
* NIC
* Experts Live Germany
* Global AI Bootcamp
* Global Azure Austria
and many more

My name is Jannik Reinhard and I'm 26 years old and I am work in the internal IT department of the largest chemical company in the world. I am a senior solution architect in the area of modern device management and technical lead of AIOPS (AI of IT O... Show more

Valerie Junk

Valerie Junk

Hi there. I am Valerie Junk.
I am passionate about creating insights from data and designing dashboards using Power BI. With my expertise in data analytics and visualization, I support companies in developing effective data-driven strategies that yield results and take the business to the next level.
Microsoft Data Platform MVP

Hi there. I am Valerie Junk. I am passionate about creating insights from data and designing dashboards using Power BI. With my expertise in data analytics and visualization, I support companies in developing effective data-driven strategies that y... Show more

David Lorenzo

David Lorenzo

14 años de experiencia en el mundo .NET, diseñando y construyendo soluciones basadas en Azure. Desde hace 2 años, enfocado más al mundo Power Platform y la Inteligencia Artifical.

14 años de experiencia en el mundo .NET, diseñando y construyendo soluciones basadas en Azure. Desde hace 2 años, enfocado más al mundo Power Platform y la Inteligencia Artifical. Show more

Rachel Irabor

Rachel Irabor

I am a Power Platform who is passionate about building community, have a podcast where I help spread awareness about the capabilities of Microsoft Power Platform, a Youtuber, a Microsoft Student Ambassador and a Power Platform developer at a Microsoft Partner Company.

I am a Power Platform who is passionate about building community, have a podcast where I help spread awareness about the capabilities of Microsoft Power Platform, a Youtuber, a Microsoft Student Ambassador and a Power Platform developer at a Microsof... Show more

Richard Campbell

Richard Campbell

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry both on the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and was on the board of directors of Telerik, which was acquired by Progress Software in 2014. Today, he is a consultant and advisor to a number of successful technology firms and is the founder and chairman of Humanitarian Toolbox (www.htbox.org), a public charity that builds open-source software for disaster relief. Richard also hosts three podcasts: .NET Rocks! (www.dotnetrocks.com) for .NET developers, RunAs Radio (www.runasradio.com) for IT Professionals, and Windows Weekly (https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly).

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry both on the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and w... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.