Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Paul Turley

Paul Turley

Paul is a Consulting Director & the Fabric Capabilities Owner for 3Cloud Solutions, and a 16-year Microsoft Data Platform MVP. He consults, writes, speaks, teaches & blogs at SqlServerBI.blog about business intelligence and reporting solutions. He works with companies around the world to model data at enterprise scale, visualize and deliver critical information to make informed decisions using the Microsoft data platform. He is a user group leader in the Portland/Vancouver metro area. As a published author on Power BI, Fabric, TSQL, SSAS & SSRS, he holds several Data Platform credentials and all current Fabric & Power BI certifications.

Paul is a Consulting Director & the Fabric Capabilities Owner for 3Cloud Solutions, and a 16-year Microsoft Data Platform MVP. He consults, writes, speaks, teaches & blogs at SqlServerBI.blog about business intelligence and reporting solutions. He wo... Show more

Mauro Morales

Mauro Morales

Mauro Morales is a Guatemalan software developer and speaker. He’s currently a Staff Engineer at Spectro Cloud, where he’s part of the team building Kairos — an open-source Linux distribution for running Kubernetes at the edge. Mauro regularly speaks at conferences like KubeCon, FOSDEM, and the Open Source Summit, and co-hosts the Cloud Native Community Belgium.

Mauro Morales is a Guatemalan software developer and speaker. He’s currently a Staff Engineer at Spectro Cloud, where he’s part of the team building Kairos — an open-source Linux distribution for running Kubernetes at the edge. Mauro regularly speaks... Show more

Alfonso Graziano

Alfonso Graziano

Alfonso Graziano is a Tech Lead with a strong background in software engineering, specializing in JavaScript, and distributed systems. Currently at Nearform, Alfonso leads engineering teams to deliver impactful projects, for governmental institutions and enterprise. With a history of scaling teams and designing innovative solutions across industries like fintech and media platforms, Alfonso brings expertise in AWS, Node.js, and React. Passionate about knowledge sharing, he loves to solve problems and contributes to tech communities. In his free time, he enjoys cooking, learning, and spending quality time with loved ones.

Alfonso Graziano is a Tech Lead with a strong background in software engineering, specializing in JavaScript, and distributed systems. Currently at Nearform, Alfonso leads engineering teams to deliver impactful projects, for governmental institutions... Show more

Niels Tanis

Niels Tanis

Niels Tanis has got a background in .NET development, pentesting and security consultancy. He is Microsoft MVP and has been involved in breaking, defending and building secure applications. He joined Veracode in 2015 and right now he works as a security researcher on a variant of languages and technologies related to Veracode’s Binary Static Analysis service. He is married, father of two and lives in a small village just outside Amersfoort, The Netherlands.

Niels Tanis has got a background in .NET development, pentesting and security consultancy. He is Microsoft MVP and has been involved in breaking, defending and building secure applications. He joined Veracode in 2015 and right now he works as a secur... Show more

Christoph Twiehaus

Christoph Twiehaus

Christoph's professional journey has been shaped by his experiences at a German insurance group, a mid-sized IT consulting firm specializing in Microsoft technologies, and Microsoft itself. His passion lies in digital transformation and its impact on individuals and businesses. For Christoph, the human aspect and their needs within the digital transformation space take precedence, along with the ever-evolving technological challenges.

He also enjoys challenging the status quo occasionally. There isn't a one-size-fits-all solution for every customer. Daily reevaluation is essential to achieve the best outcomes, recognizing that each customer and project is unique and cannot be replicated exactly.

Christoph's professional journey has been shaped by his experiences at a German insurance group, a mid-sized IT consulting firm specializing in Microsoft technologies, and Microsoft itself. His passion lies in digital transformation and its impact on... Show more

Santhana Lakshmi Ponnurasan

Santhana Lakshmi Ponnurasan

Lakshmi is a Microsoft MVP (Data Platform) and a Certified Power BI Data Analyst, currently working in the Institutional Effectiveness department at Missouri University of Science and Technology. She is passionate about creating creative and innovative Power BI reports that not only make data pop but also provide actionable insights. She was a Finalist in the Microsoft Power BI DataViz World Championships 2025, showcasing her ability to combine technical expertise with storytelling. An engaging speaker, she frequently speaks about all things Power BI at user groups and conferences, and also shares tips and best practices on her Medium blog.

Lakshmi is a Microsoft MVP (Data Platform) and a Certified Power BI Data Analyst, currently working in the Institutional Effectiveness department at Missouri University of Science and Technology. She is passionate about creating creative and innovati... Show more

Samir Makwana

Samir Makwana

Samir Makwana empowers enterprises and government agencies to harness the full power of Microsoft Cloud—and especially its cutting-edge AI stack—to build secure, value-driven businesses. With 17 years as a software developer, pre-sales engineer, and solution architect, he’s architected end-to-end IT transformations that blend security, automation, and collaboration.

A true AI evangelist, Samir designs PoCs and production systems leveraging Azure AI services (Cognitive Services, Azure OpenAI, Semantic Kernel), Copilot Studio, and Power Platform AI—applying deep prompt engineering, vector search/RAG patterns, and grounding techniques to deliver next-gen user experiences. He’s integrated generative AI agents into Office 365 and custom apps, automated workflows with Power Automate and Logic Apps, and secured data with Zero Trust and Microsoft Purview.

As Founder & Principal Architect of Cloudtrify Inc., Samir crafts both short- and long-term cloud-native and AI solutions that drive ROI, user adoption, and maintainability—always with responsible AI and compliance top-of-mind.

Samir Makwana empowers enterprises and government agencies to harness the full power of Microsoft Cloud—and especially its cutting-edge AI stack—to build secure, value-driven businesses. With 17 years as a software developer, pre-sales engineer, and ... Show more

Máté Tóth

Máté Tóth

Máté is passionate about technology and how it can enhance the way people work and collaborate. He began his Power Platform career years ago as a citizen developer. He leads the Hungary Power Platform User Group and shares his expertise at conferences, focusing on Power Platform, user experience, and mentoring.

Beyond technology, Máté advocates for the role of soft skills in tech - fostering collaborative groups, mentoring, and helping professionals identify and leverage their transferable skills. He believes that success in digital transformation is not just about tools but also about people and communication.

As a freelancer, he prioritizes work-life integration, balancing professional projects with his hobbies, such as traveling, hiking, and public speaking. He’s also a Microsoft MVP, Microsoft Certified Trainer and volunteer photographer, continuously blending his love for technology with creativity and cultural experiences.

Máté is passionate about technology and how it can enhance the way people work and collaborate. He began his Power Platform career years ago as a citizen developer. He leads the Hungary Power Platform User Group and shares his expertise at conference... Show more

Charles Lakes II

Charles Lakes II

Charles is a technical speaker and low-code advocate with a pro-code background, specializing in transforming business data architecture. With a passion for innovation, he shares his expertise to solve complex business problems and guide organizations in reimagining their legacy processes, advancing automation initiatives, streamlining operations, and reducing infrastructure costs.

| Software Engineer Plus Ultra | Middle-child | Soufside

Charles is a technical speaker and low-code advocate with a pro-code background, specializing in transforming business data architecture. With a passion for innovation, he shares his expertise to solve complex business problems and guide organization... Show more

Daniel Hutmacher

Daniel Hutmacher

SQL Server developer for 25-odd years, Microsoft Data Platform MVP, organizer of Data Saturday Stockholm, volunteer/co-organizer of GroupBy.org.
I still occasionally blog at sqlsunday.com.

SQL Server developer for 25-odd years, Microsoft Data Platform MVP, organizer of Data Saturday Stockholm, volunteer/co-organizer of GroupBy.org. I still occasionally blog at sqlsunday.com. Show more

YK Sugi

YK Sugi

Developer Experience Manager at Eventual. Also the creator of an open-source coding assistant with ~1200 stars on GitHub. Founder of CS Dojo, a programming education YouTube channel with 1.9M+ subscribers.

Developer Experience Manager at Eventual. Also the creator of an open-source coding assistant with ~1200 stars on GitHub. Founder of CS Dojo, a programming education YouTube channel with 1.9M+ subscribers. Show more

Vlad Catrinescu

Vlad Catrinescu

Vlad is a Microsoft 365 and Power Platform expert specializing in empowering organizations to securely and effectively integrate AI-powered tools, such as Microsoft 365 Copilot and AI Agents, into their digital workplaces. An IT professional at heart, Vlad excels at preparing, securing, and governing modern environments, enabling IT administrators and business users to automate processes, enhance productivity, and drive digital transformation with confidence.

As a Microsoft Certified Trainer, author, and internationally recognized speaker, Vlad has trained millions of IT professionals globally through impactful workshops, engaging conference sessions, and accessible online resources. He has authored three books published by Apress and developed over 100 comprehensive courses on Pluralsight, covering Microsoft 365 administration, Microsoft 365 Copilot, Power Automate, and some of the most in-demand Microsoft certifications.

A Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) since 2013, Vlad regularly shares insights, best practices, and industry trends on his blog at VladTalksTech.com and YouTube channel at youtube.com/@VladTalksTech. Frequently featured as an expert contributor across leading industry platforms, Vlad has consistently been recognized among the "Top 25 SharePoint & Microsoft 365 Influencers," underscoring his significant impact within the global Microsoft community.

Vlad is a Microsoft 365 and Power Platform expert specializing in empowering organizations to securely and effectively integrate AI-powered tools, such as Microsoft 365 Copilot and AI Agents, into their digital workplaces. An IT professional at heart... Show more

Fabio Bonolo

Fabio Bonolo

🚀 #FutureofModernWork - The future starts now!

👋🏻 Ciao! I'm Fabio, Microsoft MVP in the M365 Copilot category, Teamleader Productivity at redIT Switzerland, speaker and passionate community enthusiast with a clear goal: empowering people to actively shape the future of work with Microsoft 365 and Copilot. ✨

🎯 My mission
I support my network with practical insights and valuable knowledge about Microsoft 365 Copilot - so that you can extend your digital knowledge. It's not just about technology. It's about empowerment. Perspectives. The future. 🎯

🚀 #FutureofModernWork - The future starts now! 👋🏻 Ciao! I'm Fabio, Microsoft MVP in the M365 Copilot category, Teamleader Productivity at redIT Switzerland, speaker and passionate community enthusiast with a clear goal: empowering people to act... Show more

Nick Doelman

Nick Doelman

Nick Doelman is an independent Power Platform specialist, trainer and coach. Nick delivers presentations, workshops and collaborates on Power Platform and Dynamics 365 projects worldwide. From 2021 to 2023, Nick worked as a Senior Content Developer at Microsoft where he worked on skilling content for Power Pages, Power Automate, and other parts of the Power Platform.
Nick is a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) and is also a Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT).
Nick is a cohost on the Power Platform BOOST podcast and creates Power Platform blog and video content. Nick is also a competitive Powerlifter and is a member of Team Canada competing at various international events.

Nick Doelman is an independent Power Platform specialist, trainer and coach. Nick delivers presentations, workshops and collaborates on Power Platform and Dynamics 365 projects worldwide. From 2021 to 2023, Nick worked as a Senior Content Developer a... Show more

Scott McAllister

Scott McAllister

Scott McAllister is a Developer Advocate for Depot. He has been building web applications in several industries for over a decade. Now he's helping others learn about a wide range of web and infrastructure technologies. When he's not coding, writing or speaking he enjoys long walks with his wife, skipping rocks with his kids, and is happy whenever Seattle Sounders FC, Manchester City, St. Louis Cardinals, Seattle Mariners, Chicago Bulls, Seattle Storm, Seattle Seahawks, Seattle Reign FC, St. Louis Blues, Seattle Kraken, Barcelona, Fiorentina, Borussia Dortmund or Mainz 05 can manage a win.

Scott McAllister is a Developer Advocate for Depot. He has been building web applications in several industries for over a decade. Now he's helping others learn about a wide range of web and infrastructure technologies. When he's not coding, writing ... Show more

Hugo Guerrero

Hugo Guerrero

Hugo Guerrero specializes in building the backbone of the AI era. As a technology leader, he focuses on AI-ready infrastructure, modern API strategy, and scalable event-driven systems. A frequent speaker and advocate for developer ecosystems, Hugo is passionate about turning complex architectural concepts into real-world results. He works at the intersection of connectivity and intelligence, ensuring that today’s infrastructure is ready for tomorrow’s agentic workflows.

Hugo Guerrero specializes in building the backbone of the AI era. As a technology leader, he focuses on AI-ready infrastructure, modern API strategy, and scalable event-driven systems. A frequent speaker and advocate for developer ecosystems, Hugo is... Show more

Michaël Hompus

Michaël Hompus

Michaël Hompus is an Architect and Area Lead at Info Support.

As an architect he is part of several teams, creating new and innovative solutions.
Michaël has many years of development experience with .NET, Java, and Azure.

His passion is to share knowledge with colleagues, customers, and peers.
Microsoft has recognized his efforts for the community by awarding him a Microsoft MVP award.

Michaël Hompus is an Architect and Area Lead at Info Support. As an architect he is part of several teams, creating new and innovative solutions. Michaël has many years of development experience with .NET, Java, and Azure. His passion is to sh... Show more

Andrew Pruski

Andrew Pruski

Andrew is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and Docker Captain who helps organise Data Ceili and EightKB.

He is interested in all things database/kubernetes/container related and shares his passion for these topics by speaking at events across the world.

Originally from Wales but now exploring Ireland.

You can find him on Bluesky @dbafromthecold.com and blogging at dbafromthecold.com

Andrew is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and Docker Captain who helps organise Data Ceili and EightKB. He is interested in all things database/kubernetes/container related and shares his passion for these topics by speaking at events across the wor... Show more

Vanessa Toves

Vanessa Toves

When I was young I wanted to be an architect. As it turns out, I'm a different type of architect. I am a Microsoft 365 Solutions Architect.

When I was young I wanted to be an architect. As it turns out, I'm a different type of architect. I am a Microsoft 365 Solutions Architect. Show more

Daniel Rohregger

Daniel Rohregger

Daniel is a international Speaker covering topic all around Microsoft 365. With a big focus on Copilot, Adoption and Modern Workplace he loves what he does. With large to medium Enterprises from EMEA he get's experience from the real world and combines that with the passion for technology.

💼 M365 Copilot MVP
💼 AI, Hybrid Work, Teams and Modern Work-Freak
💼 Speaker and Instructor for Microsoft 365 Services
🎓 Certified ScrumMaster, Bachelor Professional for Project Organisation (CCI)

🌇 Regensburg, Germany near Munich area

Daniel is a international Speaker covering topic all around Microsoft 365. With a big focus on Copilot, Adoption and Modern Workplace he loves what he does. With large to medium Enterprises from EMEA he get's experience from the real world and combin... Show more

Tommaso Stocchi

Tommaso Stocchi

Tommaso is a Cloud Solution Architect for Microsoft's Application Innovation team. He supports developers in the adoption of Microsoft's technologies with a focus on Cloud Native Applications and DevOps.

Tommaso is a Cloud Solution Architect for Microsoft's Application Innovation team. He supports developers in the adoption of Microsoft's technologies with a focus on Cloud Native Applications and DevOps. Show more

Brian McKeiver

Brian McKeiver

Brian McKeiver is Co-Owner at BizStream, digital agency in Allendale, MI. At BizStream he is a solution architect, visionary, dual Microsoft Azure MVP (Azure AI and Azure PaaS), Kentico MVP, and Kontent.ai MVP. He has over 23 years of experience leading his agency of more than 40 employees, about a hundred clients spread out across North America, and one heck of an interesting story of how it all started from a two-person team. In addition to his expertise in web development, cloud, integration, and digital marketing, Brian is active with the tech community via his blog at Mcbeev.com.

Brian McKeiver is Co-Owner at BizStream, digital agency in Allendale, MI. At BizStream he is a solution architect, visionary, dual Microsoft Azure MVP (Azure AI and Azure PaaS), Kentico MVP, and Kontent.ai MVP. He has over 23 years of experience lead... Show more

Steve Jones

Steve Jones

Steve Jones has been working with databases and computers for over two decades. He has worked with SQL Server since 1991, from v4.2 through SQL Server 2016. He has been a DBA, developer, and manager in a variety of large and small companies across multiple industries. In 2001 Steve founded SQLServerCentral with two partners and has been publishing technical articles and facilitating discussions among SQL Server professionals ever since. He currently is the full time editor of SQLServerCentral, as well as an evangelist for Redgate Software. Steve is a 10 year Microsoft Data Platform MVP and lives on a horse ranch in Colorado.

Steve Jones has been working with databases and computers for over two decades. He has worked with SQL Server since 1991, from v4.2 through SQL Server 2016. He has been a DBA, developer, and manager in a variety of large and small companies across mu... Show more

Victor Dantas

Victor Dantas

Victor Dantas has over 25 years of experience in digital transformation. Recognized as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP), he is part of a select group of over 3,000 global MVPs known for their deep expertise in Microsoft technologies. Victor is the founder of Eyedeas Inc., where he helps businesses enhance productivity and innovation through Power Platform services.

Victor is also an international speaker, sharing his knowledge on digital transformation with audiences around the world. His work has not only improved numerous organizations but has also inspired many in the tech community. Victor continues to guide businesses through digital transformation, solidifying his reputation as an expert in the field.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZeroToHeroesAcademy

Twitter: https://twitter.com/thevictordantas

Instagram: https://instagram.com/thevictordantas

Victor Dantas has over 25 years of experience in digital transformation. Recognized as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP), he is part of a select group of over 3,000 global MVPs known for their deep expertise in Microsoft technologies. Vict... Show more

Scott Sauber

Scott Sauber

Scott is the Director of Engineering at Lean TECHniques Inc. Besides advising clients and delivering solutions for them, he enjoys helping teams realize their potential through technical practices (such as CI/CD, TDD, IAC, etc.) and working more effectively (such as limiting WIP, visualizing work, etc).

He’s a Microsoft MVP, Redgate Community Ambassador, international speaker, Dometrain author, and co-organizes the Iowa .NET User Group. You can find Scott on Twitter @scottsauber, on Bluesky @scottsauber.com, or on his blog at scottsauber.com.

Scott is the Director of Engineering at Lean TECHniques Inc. Besides advising clients and delivering solutions for them, he enjoys helping teams realize their potential through technical practices (such as CI/CD, TDD, IAC, etc.) and working more effe... Show more

Shannon Mullins

Shannon Mullins

Shannon Mullins is the CEO and founder of a BC Consulting Group and a Microsoft MVP of Business Applications. She has over 20 years' experience across a wide variety of disciplines and products,
including accounting, information technology, professional services, insurance, healthcare, mortgage
lending, distribution, manufacturing, project management and deployment and implementation of CRM and ERP systems. Shannon has a deep understanding of the functional aspects of projects, process automation and system design, and the reporting needs and requirements for complex ERP systems. Shannon is a former controller and accountant and holds a master's degree in Accountancy.

She currently resides in Nashville, TN and is an experienced international speaker and teacher.

Shannon Mullins is the CEO and founder of a BC Consulting Group and a Microsoft MVP of Business Applications. She has over 20 years' experience across a wide variety of disciplines and products, including accounting, information technology, professi... Show more

Dominick Raimato

Dominick Raimato

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house to building a database of property assessments to make sure his house is in line with other properties to avoid overpaying taxes. Passionate about people, Dominick strives to create solutions that not just help achieve business objectives, but also make people’s lives better. If he can help someone get home earlier to eat dinner with their family or eliminate time consuming tasks so they can focus on more important things, he is in his element.

Dominick currently lives in Bergen County, NJ where he can be found around the house working on projects or cooking in the kitchen. His specialty dishes include his homemade meat sauce in the winter and pulled pork bar-b-que on his smoker during the summer. He also ventures into New York City frequently to see his wife perform as a flutist with small ensembles, orchestras, and theaters.

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house t... Show more

Sergey Chubarov

Sergey Chubarov

Sergey Chubarov is a Security and Cloud Expert with over 15 years of extensive experience in Microsoft technologies. As an instructor, Sergey is dedicated to guiding companies through the complexities of securely adopting cloud solutions. His consulting experience spans both the red and blue sides.

Certifications and recognitions include Microsoft MVP: Cloud Security, OSCP, OSEP, MCT, MCT Community Lead, EC Council CPENT & LPT, CREST CPSA & CRT, and many more.

Frequent Speaker at Prestigious Conferences: Black Hat, Hacker Halted, DEF CON, Wild West Hackin' Fest, Workplace Ninja Summit, Midwest Management Summit, and many others.

Prefers live demos and cyberattacks simulations.

Sergey Chubarov is a Security and Cloud Expert with over 15 years of extensive experience in Microsoft technologies. As an instructor, Sergey is dedicated to guiding companies through the complexities of securely adopting cloud solutions. His consult... Show more

Mike Martin

Mike Martin

As a Microsoft Technical Evangelist, Mike is an Azure goto for ISV’s (independent software vendors). He’s been active in the IT industry for more than 20 years and has performed almost all types of job profiles, going from coaching and leading a team to architecting and systems design and training. Today he’s primarily into the Microsoft Cloud Platform and Application Lifecycle Management. He’s not a stranger to both dev and IT Pro topics, they even call him the perfect hybrid solution.

In January 2012 he became a crew member of AZUG, the Belgian Microsoft Azure User Group. As an active member he’s both involved in giving presentations and organizing events (like ITProceed, Techorama and Global Azure Bootcamp aka GAB). Mike was also a Microsoft Azure MVP (awarded 5 times since 2013, received his Fifth in July 2017! ) and Microsoft Azure Advisor.

Helping out in the community and introducing new & young people into the world of Microsoft and technology is also one of his passions.

As a Microsoft Technical Evangelist, Mike is an Azure goto for ISV’s (independent software vendors). He’s been active in the IT industry for more than 20 years and has performed almost all types of job profiles, going from coaching and leading a team... Show more

Tonie Huizer

Tonie Huizer

Tonie Huizer is a Software, Data, and DevOps Consultant who believes good tech starts with understanding your people. A regular on international stages and a Microsoft Certified Azure Developer, Tonie loves helping teams simplify complex challenges; whether that’s modernizing database deployments, designing scalable systems, or just getting Dev and Ops to finally talk to each other.

Tonie is known for his clear, energetic presentation style and ability to make complex topics accessible and engaging. As a Redgate Community Ambassador, he advocates for database DevOps and contributes to open knowledge sharing through blogs, talks, and events across the globe. He also co-leads SeaQL Saturday, a community-driven event that blends education, networking, and Sammie, his Kooikerhondje mascot. (Because yes, even events are better with a dog.)

Whether he's discussing Azure DevOps workflows, database release automation, or the cultural shifts required to implement DevOps successfully, Tonie brings real-world experience, humor, and actionable insights. His goal is to inspire professionals not just to adopt new technologies, but to transform how teams collaborate and innovate.

And when he’s not speaking about tech, he might just be speaking about whisky. Tonie is a passionate whisky enthusiast who loves sharing stories, flavors, and the occasional tasting session with his fellow connoisseur of TasteWhisky. If you're into DevOps, data, and a well-aged dram on the side, Tonie’s your man!

Tonie Huizer is a Software, Data, and DevOps Consultant who believes good tech starts with understanding your people. A regular on international stages and a Microsoft Certified Azure Developer, Tonie loves helping teams simplify complex challenges; ... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.