Most Active Speakers 2025

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2025!

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Yash Sharma

Yash Sharma

Yash is Developer Advocate at DigitalOcean, KubeCon speaker and a core maintainer of Meshery, an open-source CNCF sandbox project. He is a mentor for the LFX 2024 projects and was an LFX mentee in the 2023 mentorship under Meshery. He hosts weekly Meshery Development calls and engage in CNCF communities

Yash is Developer Advocate at DigitalOcean, KubeCon speaker and a core maintainer of Meshery, an open-source CNCF sandbox project. He is a mentor for the LFX 2024 projects and was an LFX mentee in the 2023 mentorship under Meshery. He hosts weekly Me... Show more

Emanuele Garofalo

Emanuele Garofalo

Emanuele Garofalo is founder at Magneticode where he helps customers to reach the success with their projects, starting from the business model up to release (even in the cloud or on-prem).
Before founding Magneticode, Emanuele had precedents in the management of other companies and as a freelancer, always making his skills available to clients and colleagues.

Outside of work, Emanuele is a fan of gaming, role-playing games and various sports including soccer, snowboarding and SUP

Emanuele Garofalo is founder at Magneticode where he helps customers to reach the success with their projects, starting from the business model up to release (even in the cloud or on-prem). Before founding Magneticode, Emanuele had precedents in the... Show more

Javan Rasokat

Javan Rasokat

Javan is a Senior Application Security Specialist at Sage, where he supports product teams in strengthening security across the software development lifecycle. He also lectures on Secure Coding at DHBW University in Germany. His journey into ethical hacking began at a young age, when he built bots to automate online games and uncovered security flaws, which he responsibly reported to game operators. Turning this passion into a career, Javan started out as a full-stack web and mobile engineer before moving into security consulting. He holds a Master’s degree in IT Security Management and multiple certifications, including GXPN, AIGP, CISSP, CCSP, and CSSLP. Javan has presented his research and delivered hands-on workshops at conferences such as DEFCON, OWASP Global AppSec and Blackhat.

Javan is a Senior Application Security Specialist at Sage, where he supports product teams in strengthening security across the software development lifecycle. He also lectures on Secure Coding at DHBW University in Germany. His journey into ethical ... Show more

Connell Sharp

Connell Sharp

After falling in love with coding in 2005, Connell became a fan of software architecture and design, and now spends a lot of time drawing boxes and arrows to help visualise concepts.

This led to the creation of his YouTube channel @DrawingBoxes, which establishes a simple animated visual presentation style shared by his talks and blog.

Always an advocate for developer communities, he co-organises the .NET Notts meetup, and now works at Stack Overflow where he continuously improves the site enabling communities worldwide.

After falling in love with coding in 2005, Connell became a fan of software architecture and design, and now spends a lot of time drawing boxes and arrows to help visualise concepts. This led to the creation of his YouTube channel @DrawingBoxes, w... Show more

Rob Richardson

Rob Richardson

Rob Richardson is a software craftsman building web properties in ASP.NET and Node, React and Vue. He’s a Microsoft MVP, published author, frequent speaker at conferences, user groups, and community events, and a diligent teacher and student of high quality software development. You can find this and other talks on https://robrich.org/presentations and follow him on Mastodon at @robrich@hachyderm.io.

Rob Richardson is a software craftsman building web properties in ASP.NET and Node, React and Vue. He’s a Microsoft MVP, published author, frequent speaker at conferences, user groups, and community events, and a diligent teacher and student of high ... Show more

Patrice Williams-Lindo

Patrice Williams-Lindo

Patrice Williams-Lindo is a workforce systems strategist, AI governance advisor, and the founder and CEO of Career Nomad™. AI is not replacing your workforce. AI is repricing it. With 20+ years advising Fortune 500 organizations across technology, healthcare, financial services, and the public sector — including engagements with Accenture, KPMG, and Deloitte — she specializes in translating AI adoption, labor volatility, and institutional change into leadership strategy. She is the architect of the RNA Method™ and Career Liquidity™, and has been featured in USA Today, Business Insider, Forbes, Newsweek, CNBC, and Fox 5 Atlanta. She is a 2025 Black Leaders Worldwide Women to Watch honoree and Georgia 100 recipient.

Patrice Williams-Lindo is a workforce systems strategist, AI governance advisor, and the founder and CEO of Career Nomad™. AI is not replacing your workforce. AI is repricing it. With 20+ years advising Fortune 500 organizations across technology, he... Show more

Jeremy Laplaine

Jeremy Laplaine

Microsoft and AI consultant, trainer and speaker. MVP Alumni in Business Applications, 12 years of experience in Power BI / Fabric. Moved to the AI-augmented side.

Microsoft and AI consultant, trainer and speaker. MVP Alumni in Business Applications, 12 years of experience in Power BI / Fabric. Moved to the AI-augmented side. Show more

Cody Zuschlag

Cody Zuschlag

With a passion for open source, Cody is a software engineer and open source advocate who enjoys connecting people with technology through talks, workshops, and collaboration. Since becoming an international speaker in 2022, he has presented on topics ranging from Node.js and web development to virtualization, embedded Linux, and software-defined vehicles. His goal is always the same: making complex technical topics practical, engaging, and accessible.

With a passion for open source, Cody is a software engineer and open source advocate who enjoys connecting people with technology through talks, workshops, and collaboration. Since becoming an international speaker in 2022, he has presented on topics... Show more

Nerando Johnson

Nerando Johnson

Current Atlanta freeCodeCamp Organizer | Software Developer

Current Atlanta freeCodeCamp Organizer | Software Developer Show more

Olivier My

Olivier My

Coach Agile et Coach Professionnel, Olivier accompagne des individus, des équipes et des organisations ayant l’envie d’aller vers plus d’adaptabilité, de résilience et de pérennité humaine dans ce monde en perpétuel mouvement. Dans ce sens, il les aide à mobiliser les énergies vers un objectif porteur de sens, à mieux coopérer ensemble et à changer avec plaisir. Son approche se veut simple et légère, sans injonction et teintée de développement personnel.

Coach Agile et Coach Professionnel, Olivier accompagne des individus, des équipes et des organisations ayant l’envie d’aller vers plus d’adaptabilité, de résilience et de pérennité humaine dans ce monde en perpétuel mouvement. Dans ce sens, il les ai... Show more

Morten Knudsen

Morten Knudsen

Morten is a Triple Microsoft MVP (Security, Azure, and Security Copilot), a Microsoft Certified Trainer, and holds over 17 active Microsoft certifications.

As a Cloud and Security Architect, he focuses on Azure infrastructure, Microsoft 365, automation, security, AI, and hybrid cloud.

He actively shares insights and tools with the community through his blog at aka.ms/morten / mortenknudsen.net, where his community tools have reached over 2,3 million downloads.

Morten is also a strong advocate for the tech community — speaking at events, mentoring professionals, and co-founding Experts Live Denmark.

Outside of work, he enjoys traveling with his family and is certified as both a PADI Dive Master and PADI Master Scuba Diver.

Morten is a Triple Microsoft MVP (Security, Azure, and Security Copilot), a Microsoft Certified Trainer, and holds over 17 active Microsoft certifications. As a Cloud and Security Architect, he focuses on Azure infrastructure, Microsoft 365, auto... Show more

Dwayne McDaniel

Dwayne McDaniel

Dwayne has been working as a Developer Relations professional since 2015 and has been involved in tech communities since 2005. He loves sharing his knowledge, and he has done so by giving talks at over a hundred events worldwide. Dwayne currently lives in Chicago. Outside of tech, he loves karaoke, live music, and performing improv.

Dwayne has been working as a Developer Relations professional since 2015 and has been involved in tech communities since 2005. He loves sharing his knowledge, and he has done so by giving talks at over a hundred events worldwide. Dwayne currently liv... Show more

Josephine Pfeiffer

Josephine Pfeiffer

josie works on infrastructure and security. she spends work hours on linux userspace networking, free time on porting distros to weird architectures, and contributing to CNCF projects.

she unironically thinks s390x is cool and will argue about it.

occasionally writes crystal, and likes electronics with transparent cases.

josie works on infrastructure and security. she spends work hours on linux userspace networking, free time on porting distros to weird architectures, and contributing to CNCF projects. she unironically thinks s390x is cool and will argue about it.... Show more

Sébastien Goodwin

Sébastien Goodwin

Agile Coach and Kanban expert (certified Kanban trainer and coach, AKT, KCP), Sébastien has a solid experience in supporting organizations in their Agile and Lean transformation.

He helps teams of all sizes, from the smallest to projects of +150 people, and works daily in collaboration with geographically distributed teams both in France and internationally. Sébastien also has expertise in complex project management, problem solving, and continuous improvement.

After 20 years of experience in a large company, in 2023 he launched his training & consulting company - Kudja.fr - to share his expertise on Kanban.

Agile Coach and Kanban expert (certified Kanban trainer and coach, AKT, KCP), Sébastien has a solid experience in supporting organizations in their Agile and Lean transformation. He helps teams of all sizes, from the smallest to projects of +150 p... Show more

Samuel Gomez

Samuel Gomez

I've worked in software development for 15+ years (mostly Microsoft technologies) and love the problem solving aspect of the work. In recent years I have become very passionate about AI and machine learning technologies and how they can be applied to different aspects of our lives. When not coding I enjoy spending time with my family, soccer (watching, playing, and coaching), playing videogames and watching movies.

I've worked in software development for 15+ years (mostly Microsoft technologies) and love the problem solving aspect of the work. In recent years I have become very passionate about AI and machine learning technologies and how they can be applied to... Show more

Dotan Horovits

Dotan Horovits

Horovits is an international speaker (awarded Most Active Speaker by Sessionize), a CNCF Ambassador (under the Cloud Native Computing Foundation), an OpenSearch Ambassador (under The Linux Foundation's OpenSearch Software Foundation), and host of the popular OpenObservability Talks podcast.

Horovits lives at the intersection of technology, product and open source. With over 20 years in the tech industry as a software developer, a solutions architect and a product manager, he brings a wealth of knowledge in cloud and cloud-native architectures, big data solutions, DevOps practices and more.

Speaking badges and achievements:
https://credly.com/users/dotan-horovits/

Talk recordings:
https://www.youtube.com/@horovits

Podcast:
https://open.spotify.com/show/2Dh3iUfPjmdOKZwAppsVNj

Blogs:
https://horovits.medium.com/
https://logz.io/author/dotan-horovits/

Horovits is an international speaker (awarded Most Active Speaker by Sessionize), a CNCF Ambassador (under the Cloud Native Computing Foundation), an OpenSearch Ambassador (under The Linux Foundation's OpenSearch Software Foundation), and host of the... Show more

Nicola Guglielmi

Nicola Guglielmi

I operate at the intersection of bold vision and brilliant teams. As a Principal Cloud & AI Strategist and Fractional CTO, I partner with companies to architect future-proof cloud solutions and build the high-performing engineering teams needed to execute them.

With over a decade of hands-on experience in Digital Transformation, I specialize in Google Cloud Platform, Generative AI (Vertex AI), and complex multi-cloud architectures. I don't just talk theory, I have built Cloud Business Units from scratch and led mission-critical migrations in fast-paced sectors like Oil & Gas.
My philosophy is simple: an elite strategy is useless without an elite team to execute it, so I build the team first, knowing that the results will follow.
As a passionate advocate for open knowledge, I am a Google Cloud Authorized Trainer, a Google Developer Expert (GDE) for Cloud, and the Community Lead for GDG Campobasso.
Whether I am live-coding a Gen AI agent or sharing insights on the dynamics of engineering leadership, I bring energy, clarity, and deep real-world experience to the stage. I love connecting with people who are eager to challenge the status quo and push the boundaries of what technology can solve.

I operate at the intersection of bold vision and brilliant teams. As a Principal Cloud & AI Strategist and Fractional CTO, I partner with companies to architect future-proof cloud solutions and build the high-performing engineering teams needed to ex... Show more

Jessica Andersson

Jessica Andersson

Jessica has extensive experience and expertise within cloud architecture, cloud infrastructure and platform engineering. She's a hands-on technical leader who has built up and led platform teams within developer experience and data. She is also a Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) ambassador who regularly shares her knowledge both in the local Gothenburg community and at conferences such as QCon.​

Jessica has extensive experience and expertise within cloud architecture, cloud infrastructure and platform engineering. She's a hands-on technical leader who has built up and led platform teams within developer experience and data. She is also a Clo... Show more

Sammy Deprez

Sammy Deprez

Sammy is a seasoned consultant with an extensive background in diverse industries and over a decade of experience. With a specialization in the Microsoft Stack, he has successfully undertaken and delivered numerous projects across sectors such as finance, healthcare, and beyond.

In 2015, Sammy made a significant shift in his career by redirecting his focus towards Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence (AI). Recognizing the transformative potential of these emerging technologies, he dedicated himself to mastering their applications and staying at the forefront of the field. His deep understanding of AI and its practical implications has allowed him to contribute significantly to the advancement of organizations he has been involved with.

In 2017, Sammy played a pivotal role in the launch of a new company that specializes in leveraging Artificial Intelligence and Microsoft tools to maximize organizations' potential. His expertise and leadership were instrumental in establishing the company as a prominent player in the AI landscape. Through his strategic insights and hands-on involvement, Sammy has helped numerous businesses harness the power of AI to drive innovation, improve operational efficiency, and achieve sustainable growth.

Beyond his professional endeavors, Sammy is a passionate advocate for AI education and community building. He serves as a board member of the global AI community, where he actively contributes to fostering collaboration, knowledge sharing, and networking opportunities among professionals in the field. As an esteemed international speaker, Sammy frequently shares his expertise and insights at industry conferences, seminars, and workshops, inspiring and educating audiences about the transformative potential of AI.

Sammy's commitment to excellence and his contributions to the AI community have been recognized with the prestigious MVP (Most Valuable Professional) award in AI since 2021. This accolade further underscores his dedication, expertise, and impact in the field, cementing his position as a trusted advisor and thought leader in the intersection of AI and business.

With his vast experience, deep knowledge, and unwavering passion for AI, Sammy continues to shape the future of organizations by unlocking their potential through cutting-edge technologies, and inspiring others to embark on their own AI journeys.

Sammy is a seasoned consultant with an extensive background in diverse industries and over a decade of experience. With a specialization in the Microsoft Stack, he has successfully undertaken and delivered numerous projects across sectors such as fin... Show more

Sam Nasr

Sam Nasr

Sam Nasr has been a software developer since 1995, focusing mostly on Microsoft AI Stack of technologies. He’s a Sr. Software Engineer with NIS Technologies where he consults and teaches clients about the latest .NET technologies. Sam has achieved multiple certifications from Microsoft (MCSA, MCAD, MCTS, MCT), and is the leader of the Cleveland C# since 2003. In addition, he’s the leader of the .NET Study Group, Azure Cleveland User Group, an author for Visual Studio Magazine, LinkedIn Learning, and a 8x Microsoft MVP. When not coding, Sam loves spending time with his family and friends or volunteering at his local church. You can learn more about Sam by visiting https://linktr.ee/SamNasr.

Sam Nasr has been a software developer since 1995, focusing mostly on Microsoft AI Stack of technologies. He’s a Sr. Software Engineer with NIS Technologies where he consults and teaches clients about the latest .NET technologies. Sam has achieved ... Show more

Benni De Jagere

Benni De Jagere

Benni is a Principal Program Manager in the Fabric Customer Advisory Team (Fabric CAT) at Microsoft. Aspiring to be top notch in his field, through continuous personal development, on both technical and soft skills. He strives for maximum results in his tasks using team play, communication, thinking outside of the box, and (endless) motivation. Benni is always ready to tackle the unknown, or pick up fresh ideas to broaden his range. Building on past experiences, he continuously tries to find new, more efficient ways of obtaining results, and improving the process along the way.

Loving (almost) every day of it, he’s fascinated by the value of data, sometimes flabbergasted by the lack of awareness, and intrigued by the endless possibilities whilst discovering new ways of looking at data. He thrives on unfolding new insights for customers whilst using an open and transparent communication.

On a daily basis he turns (large amounts of) coffee into insights for customers, and references witty British comedy, lame dad jokes, and obscure facts way too often. Overly enthusiastic about anything data related, he’s trying hard to keep up with all things new and shiny.

When not working, blogging or reading, you’ll likely find him out and about being his weird self. Rumour has it that he’s also involved with a ragtag band of data enthusiasts, enjoying themselves whilst organising cool community things.
They go by the name of .. dataMinds!

Benni is a Principal Program Manager in the Fabric Customer Advisory Team (Fabric CAT) at Microsoft. Aspiring to be top notch in his field, through continuous personal development, on both technical and soft skills. He strives for maximum results in ... Show more

Jake Walsh

Jake Walsh

Jake is an experienced Solution Architect working across Microsoft Azure, Hybrid Platforms, DevOps and Infrastructure as Code. He’s also a former Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for Azure, Citrix CTA, and HashiCorp Ambassador.

Jake is an experienced Solution Architect working across Microsoft Azure, Hybrid Platforms, DevOps and Infrastructure as Code. He’s also a former Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for Azure, Citrix CTA, and HashiCorp Ambassador. Show more

Halil İbrahim Kalkan

Halil İbrahim Kalkan

I am a software architect and developer. I love to work on open source projects, producing articles, videos and giving talks on software development.

I'm the lead developer of the ABP framework (see https://github.com/abpframework/abp and https://abp.io/)

I'm mostly interested in developing reusable frameworks & libraries, distributed systems, multi-threaded and scalable solutions. I'm talking at local and international conferences about multi-tenancy, microservice architecture, domain-driven design, modular systems and developer tools.

Visit my website to see a list of my previous talks: https://halilibrahimkalkan.com

I am a software architect and developer. I love to work on open source projects, producing articles, videos and giving talks on software development. I'm the lead developer of the ABP framework (see https://github.com/abpframework/abp and https://... Show more

Gerrit Grunwald

Gerrit Grunwald

Gerrit Grunwald is a software engineer that loves coding for around 40 years already. He is a true believer in open source and he is an active member of the Java community, where he founded and leads the Java User Group Münster (Germany), he is a JavaOne rockstar and a Java Champion. He is a speaker at conferences and user groups internationally and writes for several magazines.

Gerrit Grunwald is a software engineer that loves coding for around 40 years already. He is a true believer in open source and he is an active member of the Java community, where he founded and leads the Java User Group Münster (Germany), he is a Jav... Show more

Oktay Sari

Oktay Sari

“My name is Oktay Sari and I live in Hoofddorp, the Netherlands. I am happily married with 2 children and our dog Lucy. I like to read a good book, have a nice BBQ and enjoy a delicious craft beer with friends and family. The little things in life matter the most to me”

Oktay has been working as an IT specialist since 1997 and has fulfilled various roles over the years.. For the past 9+ years, he has honed his skills in Endpoint management, Microsoft Intune and all things Security. In 2022 he received the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) award in the Security (Intune) category for his community contributions and thought leadership.

With the growing prevalence of macOS in corporate settings, his current focus is on leveraging Microsoft Intune's capabilities to ensure robust and efficient management of macOS devices.

“My name is Oktay Sari and I live in Hoofddorp, the Netherlands. I am happily married with 2 children and our dog Lucy. I like to read a good book, have a nice BBQ and enjoy a delicious craft beer with friends and family. The little things in life ma... Show more

Dominick Raimato

Dominick Raimato

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house to building a database of property assessments to make sure his house is in line with other properties to avoid overpaying taxes. Passionate about people, Dominick strives to create solutions that not just help achieve business objectives, but also make people’s lives better. If he can help someone get home earlier to eat dinner with their family or eliminate time consuming tasks so they can focus on more important things, he is in his element.

Dominick currently lives in Bergen County, NJ where he can be found around the house working on projects or cooking in the kitchen. His specialty dishes include his homemade meat sauce in the winter and pulled pork bar-b-que on his smoker during the summer. He also ventures into New York City frequently to see his wife perform as a flutist with small ensembles, orchestras, and theaters.

Self-identified as a data nerd, Dominick Raimato has had a huge passion for identifying insights and building solutions. You never know what kind of data projects he might be working on such as tracking temperature and humidity trends in his house t... Show more

Sander Hoogendoorn

Sander Hoogendoorn

Sander Hoogendoorn is an independent dad, avid traveler, and lifelong software developer. With over 40 years of hands-on coding experience under his belt, he still ships code every day — because once a developer, always a developer.

Currently the CTO at iBOOD, Sander has led technology at companies such as ANVA, Quby, and Klaverblad, and was once Capgemini’s global agile thought leader. But don’t expect corporate buzzwords — Sander’s known for cutting through the fluff with a post-agile mindset and a healthy disregard for outdated best practices.

He helps teams and organizations break rules that need breaking — replacing heavyweight processes with lightweight thinking, and agile dogma with actual flow. If something’s slowing your team down, chances are he’s already ranted about it in a keynote.

Onstage, Sander brings code, stories, and sharp insights — whether he’s talking disruption, continuous delivery, microservices, monads (yes, really), software architecture, or the lost art of elegant code. His talks are fast-paced, thought-provoking, and never just theory.

Sander believes in small steps, critical thinking, and building stuff that works. No silver bullets. Just better software, made by better teams.

Sander Hoogendoorn is an independent dad, avid traveler, and lifelong software developer. With over 40 years of hands-on coding experience under his belt, he still ships code every day — because once a developer, always a developer. Currently the ... Show more

Daniel Fang

Daniel Fang

Daniel is a seasoned Solution Architect and a coder at heart, bringing broad expertise in cloud application and system integration on Azure. He specializes in cloud-first architecture and applying AI innovations to build scalable, efficient, and resilient solutions.

Driven by a passion for mentoring and community, Daniel actively shares knowledge and collaborates with developers from diverse cultural backgrounds. He enjoys turning ideas into practical solutions that foster innovation and create real-world impact. At the core of his work is a commitment to learning, collaboration, and making a positive difference through technology.

Beyond his professional role, Daniel volunteers as a FIRST LEGO League coach, helping students build LEGO robots and learn Python. He is particularly interested in how robotics and AI can be used in education to inspire creativity and equip the next generation with strong problem-solving skills.

Daniel is a seasoned Solution Architect and a coder at heart, bringing broad expertise in cloud application and system integration on Azure. He specializes in cloud-first architecture and applying AI innovations to build scalable, efficient, and resi... Show more

Akshata Revankar

Akshata Revankar

20+ Years of experience in data engineering and data reporting space. Have worked with Oracle database, SQL Server, SSIS, Informatica Power Center, Hadoop systems, Qlik and Power BI. Enjoy being in the data space and learning new things.

20+ Years of experience in data engineering and data reporting space. Have worked with Oracle database, SQL Server, SSIS, Informatica Power Center, Hadoop systems, Qlik and Power BI. Enjoy being in the data space and learning new things. Show more

Clarissa Rodrigues

Clarissa Rodrigues

Clarissa Rodrigues is graduated by University of Vale dos Sinos (UNISINOS), specialist in Software Engineering by Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS) and master student in Applied Computing by UNISINOS. With more than 10 years of IT experience, she has been working in different roles and companies, such as a Business Analyst at SISPRO, ADP, SAP and most current Technical Quality & Program Manager at Uber. On her journey, she has been advocated for quality inside QAs work to make sure goods and services are designed, developed, and made to meet or exceed customers’ expectations and requirements.

Clarissa Rodrigues is graduated by University of Vale dos Sinos (UNISINOS), specialist in Software Engineering by Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS) and master student in Applied Computing by UNISINOS. With more than 10 years of IT exper... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2025

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2025.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2025. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 39,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1163. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2025. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.