Most Active Speakers 2024

Sessionize proudly presents the list of the most active speakers in the year 2024!

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Andrew Madson

Andrew Madson

Andrew Madson leads Developer Relations at Fivetran, where he builds global programs that help developers and data teams adopt modern data and AI tooling. He has built DevRel, education, and evangelism functions at Fivetran, Tobiko Data, and Dremio, delivering technical content, large-scale community programs, and keynotes across major industry conferences.

Andrew is a published author of the O’Reilly “Definitive Guide to Apache Polaris” and a graduate professor of data science and engineering. Andrew previously led AI and data teams at Arizona State University, J.P. Morgan Chase, and MassMutual among others.

Andrew Madson leads Developer Relations at Fivetran, where he builds global programs that help developers and data teams adopt modern data and AI tooling. He has built DevRel, education, and evangelism functions at Fivetran, Tobiko Data, and Dremio, ... Show more

AJ Ansari

AJ Ansari

AJ is a business leader and a decorated veteran of the Microsoft Partner community, bringing nearly two decades of experience as a trusted advisor to businesses seeking to maximize their AI and ERP investments.

He is an 8-time Microsoft MVP, awarded in two categories for his contributions to the Copilot Studio and Dynamics 365 Business Central communities. AJ is passionate about sharing his knowledge with the community and has spoken and at over 50 global industry events. Through his workshops, bootcamps, conference sessions and many online contributions, AJ has built a reputation for translating complex technical concepts into practical solutions for the Microsoft community.

AJ loves helping businesses unlock and harness the power of AI and process automation to streamline operations and improve decision-making, and he is regularly sought after for advisory engagements.

A mentor and an advocate for continuous learning, AJ is also an active community organizer, serving on the boards, planning committees and content committees of various Microsoft partner associations and user groups.

By day, AJ is the Chief Operating Officer at DSWi, an award-winning Microsoft Business Applications Partner since 2018. In his spare time, he is the Editor of the OnlyCopilotFans.com AI tech-news site, and the host of The OnlyBCFans Show, a podcast for the Dynamics 365 Business Central community.

AJ is a business leader and a decorated veteran of the Microsoft Partner community, bringing nearly two decades of experience as a trusted advisor to businesses seeking to maximize their AI and ERP investments. He is an 8-time Microsoft MVP, awar... Show more

Andy Cutler

Andy Cutler

I am an Azure Data Platform professional working predominantly with Azure Synapse Analytics (SQL Pools), Data Factory, SQL Server and Power BI. I hold an MSc in Business Intelligence and Data Mining. I am a current Microsoft Data Platform MVP.

I am an Azure Data Platform professional working predominantly with Azure Synapse Analytics (SQL Pools), Data Factory, SQL Server and Power BI. I hold an MSc in Business Intelligence and Data Mining. I am a current Microsoft Data Platform MVP. Show more

Jeff Taylor

Jeff Taylor

Jeff Taylor is a Principal Data Consultant, Microsoft Data Platform MVP, Redgate Community Ambassador, and Octopus Insider with over 27 years of experience specializing in performance tuning and critical data issues. He currently organizes the Jax Data and SQL Saturday Jacksonville and is the Jacksonville Development Users Group co-organizer.

Jeff Taylor is a Principal Data Consultant, Microsoft Data Platform MVP, Redgate Community Ambassador, and Octopus Insider with over 27 years of experience specializing in performance tuning and critical data issues. He currently organizes the Jax Da... Show more

Ramona Domen

Ramona Domen

Ramona is a software engineer, Microsoft MVP and public speaker with a passion for creating inclusive and accessible applications. She likes to spread awareness about this topic and hopes to inspire people both in her daily work and by taking the stage whenever she gets the chance.

Ramona is a software engineer, Microsoft MVP and public speaker with a passion for creating inclusive and accessible applications. She likes to spread awareness about this topic and hopes to inspire people both in her daily work and by taking the sta... Show more

Patrick Baumgartner

Patrick Baumgartner

Patrick Baumgartner is a Java Champion, passionate software crafter, and technical agile coach at 42talents. He helps teams build elegant, simple, and robust solutions, specializing in cloud software with Java, the Spring ecosystem, and other open-source technologies.

Patrick is an active member of the Software Craft, Java, and Agile communities in Switzerland. As a trainer and coach, he focuses on making a real impact by sharing knowledge, experimenting, and fostering continuous improvement. He enjoys learning with and from others.

Patrick Baumgartner is a Java Champion, passionate software crafter, and technical agile coach at 42talents. He helps teams build elegant, simple, and robust solutions, specializing in cloud software with Java, the Spring ecosystem, and other open-so... Show more

Luca Del Puppo

Luca Del Puppo

I'm a Senior Software Engineer, Google Developer Expert, Former Microsoft MVP Codemotion Ambassador and GitKraken Ambassador. I love JavaScript and TypeScript.
In my free time, I love studying new technologies, improving myself, creating YouTube content or writing technical articles. I can’t stay without trail running and love to do it in my love Dolomiti.

I'm a Senior Software Engineer, Google Developer Expert, Former Microsoft MVP Codemotion Ambassador and GitKraken Ambassador. I love JavaScript and TypeScript. In my free time, I love studying new technologies, improving myself, creating YouTube con... Show more

Suzanne Daniels

Suzanne Daniels

Suzanne is a seasoned technology leader with a deep focus on developer productivity and innovation strategy. At Microsoft, she partners with CTOs and senior executives across EMEA to elevate the developer experience through AI, Azure, and GitHub. With a background spanning software engineering, platform architecture, and executive advisory roles.

Suzanne brings a pragmatic yet visionary approach to driving transformation at scale. Her mission is clear: empower developers, enable innovation, and align technology with strategic outcomes.

Suzanne is a seasoned technology leader with a deep focus on developer productivity and innovation strategy. At Microsoft, she partners with CTOs and senior executives across EMEA to elevate the developer experience through AI, Azure, and GitHub. Wit... Show more

Falk Sippach

Falk Sippach

As a software architect, consultant and trainer at embarc Software Consulting GmbH, Falk Sippach is always on the lookout for that spark of passion that he can ignite in his participants, customers and colleagues. He has been supporting mostly agile software development projects in the Java environment for over 20 years. As an active part of the community (co-organizer of the JUG Darmstadt and Java Champion) he also likes to share his knowledge in articles, blog posts, as well as in presentations at conferences or user group meetings and supports the organization of various professional events.

As a software architect, consultant and trainer at embarc Software Consulting GmbH, Falk Sippach is always on the lookout for that spark of passion that he can ignite in his participants, customers and colleagues. He has been supporting mostly agile ... Show more

Marius Sandbu

Marius Sandbu

Marius Sandbu is a Cloud Evangelist for Sopra Steria in Norway.
With some undiagnosed AHDH and new shiny object syndrome, he tends to get drawn to new cool technology. The current buzz is Generative AI.

Experienced within
* Public Cloud (Azure, AWS, GCP and even OCI and IBM) working 14 years with Azure.
* Databricks / Purview
* Hyperconverged datacenter and private cloud (One of the first in the world to do a Azure Stack deployment)
* End-user computing (Citrix, VMware, Microsoft 365/AVD, ZTNA services so many its hard to name them all)
* Cloud-native (K8s, k3s, Edge-deployments)
* IaC/CI/CD/
* Security (Do a lot of that stuff)
* GenAI (Private LLM, Guardrails, virtual agents)

Blog at https://msandbu.org
Books at https://www.amazon.com/stores/Marius-Sandbu/author/B0BXVLHDTL?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1741940523&sr=8-1&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Prev: One of 10 worldwide which was awarded with Citrix CTP, Microsoft MVP and VMware EUC vExpert titles.

Tend to do speaking sessions based upon new content, new technologies, new experiences/projects.

Been public speaking for almost 12 years.
Microsoft Ignite / Citrix Synergy / Euctech Denmark / Nordic Virtual Summit / Virtualexpo / Sikkerhetsfestivalen / SQL Saturday / EUCTech Norway / NIC

Marius Sandbu is a Cloud Evangelist for Sopra Steria in Norway. With some undiagnosed AHDH and new shiny object syndrome, he tends to get drawn to new cool technology. The current buzz is Generative AI. Experienced within * Public Cloud (Azure,... Show more

C R Bhargavi

C R Bhargavi

Senior Software Engineer, Microsoft MVP, Microsoft Certified *6, Microsoft Certified Trainer, Blogger, Author, Global Speaker

Senior Software Engineer, Microsoft MVP, Microsoft Certified *6, Microsoft Certified Trainer, Blogger, Author, Global Speaker Show more

Marco Parenzan

Marco Parenzan

I'm a passionate and customer-focused solutions architect with deep expertise in IoT, Cloud, .NET, and industrial applications. Microsoft has recognized my contributions with the MVP award since 2014 for Azure, and since 2024 specifically for Azure IoT.

With a background as an independent architect and developer, I’ve built a career around designing scalable, real-world solutions that bridge the gap between modern cloud technologies and industrial needs. I’m a frequent speaker at major tech community events across Italy, sharing knowledge on Azure, IoT, and .NET development.
As the community lead of 1NN0VA, a Microsoft-recognized tech community in Pordenone, Italy, I’m passionate about fostering innovation, mentoring developers, and supporting local tech growth. In 2016, I authored a book on Microsoft Azure to help others embrace the platform's potential.
At heart, I’m a missed researcher and a retro computing lover. I enjoy developing retrogames and playing with his Commodore 64, diving into sci-fi and comic books, and relaxing with a good streaming serie.

I'm a passionate and customer-focused solutions architect with deep expertise in IoT, Cloud, .NET, and industrial applications. Microsoft has recognized my contributions with the MVP award since 2014 for Azure, and since 2024 specifically for Azure I... Show more

Marjolein Opsteegh

Marjolein Opsteegh

My name is Marjolein Opsteegh, I'm a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and a big Power BI enthusiast, living in the Netherlands, who loves to share knowledge, especially about the intersection of Power BI, UI, and UX. As a consultant, I design and build dashboards that are both visually appealing and user-friendly, keeping end-users in mind throughout the process.

In addition to creating dashboards, I enjoy writing about frontend principles and sharing practical tips to help others get the most out of Power BI. I frequently speak at events and host Q & A sessions, inspiring others to improve their skills and embrace the power of data visualization, both off- and online.

My name is Marjolein Opsteegh, I'm a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and a big Power BI enthusiast, living in the Netherlands, who loves to share knowledge, especially about the intersection of Power BI, UI, and UX. As a consultant, I design and build da... Show more

Alaa Bitar

Alaa Bitar

SharePoint Addict since 2007
aMP community member

SharePoint Addict since 2007 aMP community member Show more

Matt Topol

Matt Topol

Hailing from the faraway land of Brentwood, NY and currently residing in the rolling hills of Connecticut, Matt Topol has always been passionate about software. Matt has worked in infrastructure and application development, has lead development teams, and architected large-scale distributed systems for processing analytics on financial data. Matt is a PMC member for the Apache Arrow project, frequently enhancing the Golang library among other enhancements and helping to grow the Arrow Community. He wrote the first book on Apache Arrow "In-Memory Analytics with Apache Arrow" and spent the last couple years working on the Apache Arrow libraries full time and growing the Arrow Golang community. Matt is now a member of the ASF and also a committer on Apache Iceberg. Most recently, Matt and two colleagues have started the company, Columnar, focusing on data connectivity using Arrow Database Connectivity (ADBC).

In his spare time, Matt likes to bash his head against a keyboard, develop/run delightfully demented games of fantasy for his victims--er--friends, and share his knowledge with anyone interested who'll listen to his rants.

Hailing from the faraway land of Brentwood, NY and currently residing in the rolling hills of Connecticut, Matt Topol has always been passionate about software. Matt has worked in infrastructure and application development, has lead development teams... Show more

Uwe Ricken

Uwe Ricken

Uwe Ricken has been working with IT systems since the early 1990s, with a deep focus on Microsoft SQL Server starting from his work on Membership Software for the American Chamber of Commerce in Germany - later rolled out across five European countries. His passion for SQL Server took off in 2007 when he joined Deutsche Bank AG as a database administrator, gaining hands-on experience in high-performance, enterprise-scale environments.

With over three decades of experience in database development and operations, Uwe earned the prestigious "Microsoft Certified Master – SQL Server 2008", the highest technical certification at the time. In 2013, he was honored with his first "Microsoft MVP Award" for his contributions to the SQL Server community across Germany and Europe.

Since 2010, Uwe has been sharing his expertise through his blog https://sqlmaster.de, offering deep dives into SQL Server internals, performance tuning, and real-world troubleshooting.

A regular speaker at international conferences and user groups, Uwe’s sessions focus on Database Internals, Indexing Strategies and Advanced SQL Development - always with a practical, performance-driven mindset.

Uwe Ricken has been working with IT systems since the early 1990s, with a deep focus on Microsoft SQL Server starting from his work on Membership Software for the American Chamber of Commerce in Germany - later rolled out across five European countri... Show more

Samir Daoudi

Samir Daoudi

Microsoft MVP in the category of Business Applications - PowerApps.
I am a certified PowerPlatform Architect (MCSE) and have more than 13 Years experience with Microsoft Technologies Stack.
I have +18 Microsoft Certifications, and I've been specializing in Microsoft PowerPlatform for the last 5 years.
I blog regularly via my personal blog https://www.samtech365.com

Microsoft MVP in the category of Business Applications - PowerApps. I am a certified PowerPlatform Architect (MCSE) and have more than 13 Years experience with Microsoft Technologies Stack. I have +18 Microsoft Certifications, and I've been special... Show more

Michael Johnson

Michael Johnson

Michael Johnson is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and co-lead of the Johannesburg Data Platform User Group. Professionally, he is the owner and principal consultant at Cobalt Analytics, based in Johannesburg, South Africa. Michael regularly presents at many local and international user groups and conferences on topics including data engineering and analytics.

Michael Johnson is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and co-lead of the Johannesburg Data Platform User Group. Professionally, he is the owner and principal consultant at Cobalt Analytics, based in Johannesburg, South Africa. Michael regularly presents a... Show more

Reitse Eskens

Reitse Eskens

Reitse began his computer days with GW Basic and quickly followed with Windows 3.11. After that, many computers followed, and, interrupted by human resource and psychology studies, he got into the IT work field around 2007. There, he encountered Oracle 9, which had a command line from 1980. At his current job, he met SQL Server. And loved it. Now he’s working with SQL 2008 to SQL 2019 on-premises and several Azure SQL Databases, supporting customers and tuning databases. New projects focus more on the Azure data platform as an architect, security advisor and data engineer. They include Fabric (Lakehouse and Realtime solutions), Data Factory and Synapse Analytics.

Reitse began his computer days with GW Basic and quickly followed with Windows 3.11. After that, many computers followed, and, interrupted by human resource and psychology studies, he got into the IT work field around 2007. There, he encountered Orac... Show more

Mathias Thierbach

Mathias Thierbach

Mathias Thierbach is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and enterprise technology leader focused on bringing modern DevOps practices to the Microsoft analytics and cloud ecosystem. He is the creator and maintainer of pbi-tools, an open-source project that pioneered source control and DevOps for Power BI solutions, and the inventor and community contributor of TMDL, the emerging open standard definition language for Power BI semantic models.

Through his open-source work and community engagement, Mathias helps organizations adopt Git-based workflows, CI/CD automation, and scalable deployment strategies across Fabric, Power BI, and Azure. Beyond tooling, he shares practical insights from his journey as both an engineer and a leader—building high-performing teams and bridging the gap between business value and engineering excellence.

Mathias Thierbach is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and enterprise technology leader focused on bringing modern DevOps practices to the Microsoft analytics and cloud ecosystem. He is the creator and maintainer of pbi-tools, an open-source project that... Show more

Dave Rendon

Dave Rendon

📘 https://amzn.to/3ummI9B
🌐 https://blog.azinsider.net
💻 https://github.azinsider.net

▬▬▬▬▬▬ Hello There! 👋 ▬▬▬▬▬▬
Let's connect - https://www.linkedin.com/in/daverndn/

I'm David Rendon (Dave Rendon), a Microsoft Azure and AI MVP for 12 consecutive years and a Microsoft Certified Trainer. As an IT professional with more than 15 years of experience, I have focused strongly on Microsoft technologies and Azure since 2010.

📘 https://amzn.to/3ummI9B 🌐 https://blog.azinsider.net 💻 https://github.azinsider.net ▬▬▬▬▬▬ Hello There! 👋 ▬▬▬▬▬▬ Let's connect - https://www.linkedin.com/in/daverndn/ I'm David Rendon (Dave Rendon), a Microsoft Azure and AI MVP for... Show more

Diego Domingos da Silva

Diego Domingos da Silva

I am a Microsoft 365 architect and newly minted MVP with a passion for turning technology into something people actually love to use. With more than 20 years in web development, IT administration, and systems integration and 16+ years dedicated to SharePoint, Teams, the Power Platform, and Copilot, I specialize in modernizing legacy solutions, streamlining development processes, and building governance frameworks that are practical, sustainable, and human centered. In recent years I have been deeply focused on Copilot readiness and adoption, helping organizations move beyond "just keeping the lights on" to unlocking creativity, collaboration, and entirely new ways of working. Outside of work, I am a Certified Scrum Master, global speaker, community builder, and blogger at UnsuckM365, where I share no fluff stories from the field. I am also a bedroom DJ who believes music and technology share the same rhythm: both connect people, tell stories, and inspire new ways of thinking.

I am a Microsoft 365 architect and newly minted MVP with a passion for turning technology into something people actually love to use. With more than 20 years in web development, IT administration, and systems integration and 16+ years dedicated to Sh... Show more

Poornima Nayar

Poornima Nayar

Poornima is a .Net developer with over 10 years of experience in .Net. She is passionate about learning new technologies and keeping herself up-to-date with the latest developments in technology. Outside her work, Poornima enjoys music and is undergoing training in Indian Classical music. Based in Langley, UK she mothers a little girl and spends her spare time reading, cooking and watching movies.

Poornima is a .Net developer with over 10 years of experience in .Net. She is passionate about learning new technologies and keeping herself up-to-date with the latest developments in technology. Outside her work, Poornima enjoys music and is undergo... Show more

Devlin Duldulao

Devlin Duldulao

Devlin Basilan Duldulao is a Senior Consultant at Crayon Consulting based in Oslo, Norway, specializing in full-stack cloud engineering and modern web technologies. A recognized Microsoft MVP, Devlin is a prolific contributor to the global tech community as an international conference speaker, trainer, and open-source enthusiast. He is also an accomplished author, having written three books on full-stack enterprise development tools, including React, Spring Boot, and DotNet.

Devlin Basilan Duldulao is a Senior Consultant at Crayon Consulting based in Oslo, Norway, specializing in full-stack cloud engineering and modern web technologies. A recognized Microsoft MVP, Devlin is a prolific contributor to the global tech commu... Show more

Paul Turley

Paul Turley

Paul is a Consulting Director & the Fabric Capabilities Owner for 3Cloud Solutions, and a 16-year Microsoft Data Platform MVP. He consults, writes, speaks, teaches & blogs at SqlServerBI.blog about business intelligence and reporting solutions. He works with companies around the world to model data at enterprise scale, visualize and deliver critical information to make informed decisions using the Microsoft data platform. He is a user group leader in the Portland/Vancouver metro area. As a published author on Power BI, Fabric, TSQL, SSAS & SSRS, he holds several Data Platform credentials and all current Fabric & Power BI certifications.

Paul is a Consulting Director & the Fabric Capabilities Owner for 3Cloud Solutions, and a 16-year Microsoft Data Platform MVP. He consults, writes, speaks, teaches & blogs at SqlServerBI.blog about business intelligence and reporting solutions. He wo... Show more

Richard Campbell

Richard Campbell

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry, both on the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and was on the board of directors of Telerik, which was acquired by Progress Software in 2014. Today, he is a consultant and advisor to several successful technology firms and hosts three podcasts: .NET Rocks! (www.dotnetrocks.com) for .NET developers, RunAs Radio (www.runasradio.com) for IT Professionals, and Windows Weekly (https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly).

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry, both on the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and ... Show more

Daniel Laskewitz

Daniel Laskewitz

Daniel Laskewitz is a Principal Cloud Advocate at Microsoft, specializing in the Power Platform. He helps (advanced) makers, IT professionals, developers, and architects accelerate solution delivery through both low-code and pro-code tools.

▶️ Career progression: Former Microsoft MVP (6 years) and Fast-Track Recognized Solution Architect before joining Microsoft.
▶️ Community voice: Regular speaker at leading tech conferences and co-author of Power Platform Weekly.
▶️ Platform breadth: Deep knowledge across Copilot Studio, Power Apps, Power Automate, ALM, and governance.
▶️ Content creator: Publishes practical guidance on Copilot Studio, solution design, and ALM.

Daniel combines platform expertise with real-world application to support scalable, secure, and maintainable solutions.

Daniel Laskewitz is a Principal Cloud Advocate at Microsoft, specializing in the Power Platform. He helps (advanced) makers, IT professionals, developers, and architects accelerate solution delivery through both low-code and pro-code tools. ▶️ Ca... Show more

Arthur Doler

Arthur Doler

Arthur (or Art, take your pick) has been a software engineer for 22 years and has worked on things as exciting as analysis software for casinos and things as boring as banking websites. He is an advocate for talking openly about mental health and psychology in the technical world, and he spends a lot of time thinking about how we program and why we program, and about the tools, structures, cultures, and mental processes that help and hinder us from our ultimate goal of writing amazing things. His hair is brown and his thorax is a shiny blue color.

Arthur (or Art, take your pick) has been a software engineer for 22 years and has worked on things as exciting as analysis software for casinos and things as boring as banking websites. He is an advocate for talking openly about mental health and psy... Show more

Aidan Finn

Aidan Finn

Aidan Finn (@joe_elway) is a Microsoft Azure MVP and the founder of Cloud Mechanix, where he delivers expert-led Azure training and consulting based on decades of real-world experience. With a career spanning infrastructure, virtualisation, and cloud, Aidan helps organisations design secure, scalable Azure solutions—and empowers teams to master the platform themselves. Learn more at cloudmechanix.com and his blog, aidanfinn.com.

Aidan Finn (@joe_elway) is a Microsoft Azure MVP and the founder of Cloud Mechanix, where he delivers expert-led Azure training and consulting based on decades of real-world experience. With a career spanning infrastructure, virtualisation, and clou... Show more

Rob Sewell

Rob Sewell

Rob was a SQL Server DBA with a passion for PowerShell, Azure, Automation, and SQL (PaaS geddit?). Now he just helps people make things. He is a Data Platform MVP and an Azure MVP, a PowerShell Conference Europe organiser, and maintainer of many open-source projects. He has spoken at and volunteered at many Data and PowerShell events all over the world. He is a proud supporter of the Data and PowerShell communities.

He relishes sharing and learning and can be found doing both via Social Medias and his blog. He spends most of his time looking at a screen and loves to solve problems. He knows that looking at a screen so much is bad for him because his wife tells him so. Thus, he is often out riding his bike as his eyes are not good enough to play cricket any more.

He has a fabulous beard

Rob was a SQL Server DBA with a passion for PowerShell, Azure, Automation, and SQL (PaaS geddit?). Now he just helps people make things. He is a Data Platform MVP and an Azure MVP, a PowerShell Conference Europe organiser, and maintainer of many open... Show more

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Most Active Speakers 2024

Every year, we put together a list of the most active speakers. This list features the top 3% of speakers who have participated in events using Sessionize during the 2024.

The 3% is calculated from the pool of all speakers that have at least one accepted session in year 2024. We don't include inactive speakers or speakers that had no accepted sessions during the year. There are around 38,000 unique accepted speakers this year, the 3% is 1036. Not all of them have their speaker profiles set as public, and we respect that, so the list doesn't show all of them.

The calculation is based on the number of accepted events, that's the main criteria, but to get more refined results we also look at things like multiple sessions per event, sharing a session with a co-speaker and how big the event is. Number of submissions and declined sessions don't affect the list.

Please note that the count of events and sessions in this list does not represent the number of events and sessions from the year 2024. Instead, it shows the number of events and sessions featured on the speaker's public speaker profile; these numbers have nothing to do with the award itself.